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rsl12 · 02-20-2004, 02:26 PM

mr sticky -- I'm not sure I understand. any of the saints i mentioned above would have done the same thing in Jesus' position, allowed themselves to be crucified for the salvation of the world, right? even if they had the power to stop the torture? Heck, i would have done the same thing, if I knew for sure that would be the result--billions of souls ascending to heaven.

plenty of saints make the choice to undergo death--st. stephen, the 1st christian martyr, was going around town preaching in full awareness that the government wasn't happy about his doings. it's not like he kept running away--he kept at it till they arrested him, tried him, and stoned him to death. now, if I were in Jesus' shoes, I would allow myself to be tortured for the sake of so many people, but if I were in st. stephen's shoes, I don't think I would be so calm about preaching so publically, not being sure about how many people my words would affect, at the chance of dying. In other words, I would have a much easier time making Jesus' choice than St. Stephens'.

again, this is not an argument against jesus, it's an argument against being moved when people tell you "jesus died for your sins."

02-20-2004, 02:26 PM	#17 (permalink)
rsl12 On the lam Location: northern va	mr sticky -- I'm not sure I understand. any of the saints i mentioned above would have done the same thing in Jesus' position, allowed themselves to be crucified for the salvation of the world, right? even if they had the power to stop the torture? Heck, i would have done the same thing, if I knew for sure that would be the result--billions of souls ascending to heaven. plenty of saints make the choice to undergo death--st. stephen, the 1st christian martyr, was going around town preaching in full awareness that the government wasn't happy about his doings. it's not like he kept running away--he kept at it till they arrested him, tried him, and stoned him to death. now, if I were in Jesus' shoes, I would allow myself to be tortured for the sake of so many people, but if I were in st. stephen's shoes, I don't think I would be so calm about preaching so publically, not being sure about how many people my words would affect, at the chance of dying. In other words, I would have a much easier time making Jesus' choice than St. Stephens'. again, this is not an argument against jesus, it's an argument against being moved when people tell you "jesus died for your sins." __________________ oh baby oh baby, i like gravy.