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Originally posted by Mojo_PeiPei
So one thing I never got was this, perhaps you can help me out Nano... When the church put people to death they were just being corrupt and evil. *Note that these people that challenged their politic power* But when a secular atheist like Stalin targets people of particular religions and sends them to their deaths "its just a product of politics and statism".
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I was pointing out that Stalin was doing what he did for political reasons, not religious. That makes the fact that Stalin was an Athiest pointless. I said Stalin was a sociopath, as evil and corrupt as Pope Alex VI.
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Originally posted by Mojo_PeiPei
[B]Comments like "You fail to see that the Church then and the Church now are the same" just show your ignorance regarding the church. PJP II and Vatican II (which was done in 1960's, not 1700's) have done a great many things that brought the church into the modern century. However you feel just because the church holds its ground on morals and its beliefs, because it hasn't caved to the "moral progress" that is eating away at the moral fiber of our culture and society, they are stuck in past.
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Congrads are in order when the church does moved into the 19th, inparticular the whole "galieo might have been right thing." I also applaud the Church for doing away with the "Index of prohibited books" in 1966. That almost puts them in the 20th century. The mindset of control still exists in the catholic church though and if you can't see it I feel bad for you.
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Originally posted by Mojo_PeiPei
Condoms can't stop aids is a lie? What if it breaks? Is not a cell of the Aids virus several hundred times smaller then the would be semi-permiable holes of the condom? Besides whats wrong with the churchs' message of abstinance, it is the true means of would be safe sex... even though there is a lack of said sex."
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The Catholic Church is dead wrong on this issue. "On Friday, World Health Organization spokesperson Fadela Chaib criticized as "totally wrong" a top Vatican cardinal's claim that condoms do not protect against HIV."
http://www.hivdent.org/publicp/inter/ppinCCAC102003.htm
Furthermore it is totally and completely irresponsible for the CC to spread this lie when millions in Africa are dieing of AIDS. Abstinance fails a LOT more often than condoms.
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Originally posted by Mojo_PeiPei
All I ever said was that church fucked up in the past, we have asked for forgiveness now, but obviously you aren't man enough to acknowledge that and forgive them.
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The AIDS/Condom thing just goes to prove the catholic church hasn't changed, it still lies to its congregation in hopes that they will do what it tells them. They can have my forgiveness when they stop the lies.