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bad30th · 01-22-2004, 12:27 PM

umm no actually lets go ahead and compare the BRAND NEW 2003 or 2004 S2000 to, oh, i dont know, say a Camaro Z28 made A DECADE AGO.

You say 14.6 out of the S2000? Ok. How about a 14.0 out of a 1994 Z28? Did I meantion that was 10 YEARS AGO? And the Camaro costs less in 94 dollars, AND in todays dollars.....no contest.

And a note about "the twisties" as you put it..... ANYONE who actually calls real driving (road courses, autoX, rally) "the twisties" has OBVIOUSLY never actually raced "the twisties," other wise you wouldnt be saying "the twisties" like all the little ricer kids do....youd be referring to an actual motorsport competition.

That being said, let me let you in on alittle secret about S2000s ......for your average driver, they are EXTREMELY difficult to drive well, let alone to their limit. Trust me, I have seen MANY an S2000 running around the track bouncing off their rev limiter because they are afraid to shift out of their anemic little powerband. A professional driver, or at least one with EXTENSIVE S2000 racing experience might be able to drive the S2000 well, depending on the course.

The Z28 on the other hand....ANYONE car drive this car fast on a road course or AutoX.

Why you ask?

P O W E R B A N D

Its fucking huge. Just pick a gear, at almost any speed, and you are in or near the powerband.

Can you say 305 lb-ft of torque at 2200 rpm? I know the S2000 cant

By the way....did I meantion I am talking about a 10 year old car here?

The Corvette is the same way....torque for days = MUCH easier to drive fast.

And heres some food for thought....

Results of the recent Solo2 Nationals (autoX, not sure if this is this year's or last...)

For each class, cars can only be modified to the sames standards. For instance, stock allows new tires, new struts, front roll bar, and brake pads. Thats it. Here are some examples of stock cars and their top times on the course.

Super Stock
02 corvette zo6 113.04
03 corvette zo6 113.048

B stock
01 honda s2000 113.921
00 honda s2000 113.493

C stock
99 mazda miata 107.798
99 mazda miata 109.441

D stock
03 bmw 330ci 118.062
01 acura integra type r 118.346

F stock
95 chevrolet z-28 109.497
89 chevrolet 350 iroc-z 109.863

G stock
01 toyota celica gt 112.963
85 honda crx si 113.828

I have highlighted the Camaros and the S2000s.....lower numbers are faster

Did I mention that the Camaros are 9 and 15 years old???

01-22-2004, 12:27 PM	#71 (permalink)
bad30th Insane Location: [insert witty play on location field here]	umm no actually lets go ahead and compare the BRAND NEW 2003 or 2004 S2000 to, oh, i dont know, say a Camaro Z28 made A DECADE AGO. You say 14.6 out of the S2000? Ok. How about a 14.0 out of a 1994 Z28? Did I meantion that was 10 YEARS AGO? And the Camaro costs less in 94 dollars, AND in todays dollars.....no contest. And a note about "the twisties" as you put it..... ANYONE who actually calls real driving (road courses, autoX, rally) "the twisties" has OBVIOUSLY never actually raced "the twisties," other wise you wouldnt be saying "the twisties" like all the little ricer kids do....youd be referring to an actual motorsport competition. That being said, let me let you in on alittle secret about S2000s ......for your average driver, they are EXTREMELY difficult to drive well, let alone to their limit. Trust me, I have seen MANY an S2000 running around the track bouncing off their rev limiter because they are afraid to shift out of their anemic little powerband. A professional driver, or at least one with EXTENSIVE S2000 racing experience might be able to drive the S2000 well, depending on the course. The Z28 on the other hand....ANYONE car drive this car fast on a road course or AutoX. Why you ask? P O W E R B A N D Its fucking huge. Just pick a gear, at almost any speed, and you are in or near the powerband. Can you say 305 lb-ft of torque at 2200 rpm? I know the S2000 cant By the way....did I meantion I am talking about a 10 year old car here? The Corvette is the same way....torque for days = MUCH easier to drive fast. And heres some food for thought.... Results of the recent Solo2 Nationals (autoX, not sure if this is this year's or last...) For each class, cars can only be modified to the sames standards. For instance, stock allows new tires, new struts, front roll bar, and brake pads. Thats it. Here are some examples of stock cars and their top times on the course. Super Stock 02 corvette zo6 113.04 03 corvette zo6 113.048 B stock 01 honda s2000 113.921 00 honda s2000 113.493 C stock 99 mazda miata 107.798 99 mazda miata 109.441 D stock 03 bmw 330ci 118.062 01 acura integra type r 118.346 F stock 95 chevrolet z-28 109.497 89 chevrolet 350 iroc-z 109.863 G stock 01 toyota celica gt 112.963 85 honda crx si 113.828 I have highlighted the Camaros and the S2000s.....lower numbers are faster Did I mention that the Camaros are 9 and 15 years old???