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Old 01-02-2004, 07:37 AM   #28 (permalink)
Tophat665
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Originally posted by Endymon32
I am not calling for politcal correctness. I am just saying that if ARtelevision thinks he is "Bold" or "dangerous" or "cutting edge" than he is fooling himself. He is mocking a safe target. Hardly bold, dangerous or cutting edge.

But then mabye he doesnt think he is bold, cutting edge and dangerous. Mabye its just porn for porn sake, and not too good porn at that.
Or maybe you wish you were getting blown by a sexy chick in a nun's habit? Come on, man, this started out as good thread with a good question as to the nature of offense and allowable/opportune/challenging targets for it. Can we go back there?

How's about this: The Holocaust and a millennium of endemic anti-semetism have left Jews justifiably aggrieved and extremely sensitive to both trends pointing to a renewal of anti-semetism and techniques with which to quash those trends. The effect is that any criticism of Judaeism better be pointful and accurate or B'nai Brith is going to land on it with both feet. Even if it is pointful and accurate, one had best be ready to defend their position in such a way that one is clearly giving constructive criticism, not merely stirring people up, and even then it's a chancy proposition.

Here's the bottom line - satire only works if people laugh. People have been trained not to laugh at Jewish jokes.

Now, as for Islam, one wants to be careful when making even valid criticisms of Islam. If one jackass determines that you might be given too much creedence, you could have a fatwa issued against you.

Q: What's bleached blonde, lives in Sweden, and has enormous implants?
A: Salman Rushdie

On top of that, a joke that needs to be explained is no joke. Beyond standard foreigner bashing, which gets old really fast, most good jokes about Islam don't play to an ignorant audience. Heck, I can't even think of a good Muslim joke. So the jokes that are left are sex-with-livestock, poor-hygiene, ignorance, talks-funny, and wife-beating, and didn't we all get over that in elementary school? The only clever anti-muslim humor I have seen in the last couple years has been the South Park episode in which Cartman plays Bugs Bunny to Usama bin Laden's Elmer Fudd/Yosemite Sam.

To top that off, there is something vaguely erotic (or not so vaguely) about the whole harem sexual fantasy thing. It stops being satire and starts being pure porn. Veils, shaved pubes, harem pants. This is not the stuff satire is made of, and even if I have to wear a khaffieyeh for entrance, let me at 'em.

So, to review, it's not that Christianity is an easy target, it's that it's the only religious target that makes sense in this country. (Except for Scientology)
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