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Originally posted by Endymon32
"Those that are not with me are against me, and those that are lukewarm are like vomit from my mouth" Jesus Christ.
Sounds like if you are not Christian you are going to hell to me.
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Not likely to be authentic at all. If memory serves, that's only in Matthew, and is probably directed at fence sitters after the destruction of the temple who refused to help the Christians openly when they were facing repression.
PS: Cite book and verse when you quote. I'm good, but i'm not that good. It helps to know what exactly i'm supposed to comment on. thanks.
tophat: I see what you're saying...but there are two problems with completely disowning them.
1. Nobody takes such charges seriously. America is so brainwashed, it may not be possibile to convince them that there is a christianity that is apart from conservative/fundamentalism.
2. I have personally felt the pain of having someone tell me that i wasn't "christian" enough to use the name. I don't know if i really want to inflict that pain with out a damn good reason.
When fundamentalists spew hate...that is a sin. When they tell you that gays are bad...that's a sin. When they failed to condemn and participated in racism...that's a sin. I'll use the strongest language i can, save to try to deny their belief in Christ. Nobody save a person and God knows if they are sincere believers...and so all i feel free to comment on is their behavior. if it is bad...and much of it has been, then i'll call them on it. But at the same time...i can't own the name more than they can. A simple numbers game, and they win. A money game, and they win. I think i've got truth on my side...but that's one hell of a fight. Its what i'll do...but there's not much i can do to take the name from them. The reclaimation has just started, IMO, and its going to take time.
So...in the meantime...perhaps its not too much to ask to recogize the Christianities, plural, that comprise the faith. The whole idea of a catholic, small c, and orthodox, small o, faith is a late invention. Why buy in to it now? Why accuse those who are starting the work that needs to be done, and dishearten the moderates from ever joining? If they're going to be damned as fundies no matter what, why not just avoid the fight?