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Old 12-16-2003, 12:31 AM   #22 (permalink)
Sleepyjack
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sorry to threadjack again, but to answer my own question:

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A question though, where do they tend to get or derive these supplements from?
any idea? can they manufacture any of these, or are they broken down from natural products?
If they're manufactured, is there a big difference between the quality of vitmain in one supplment as opposed to one gained from a natural source (like fruit/veg/animal product?)
Natrual Vs Synthetic:

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A vitamin is a complex mechanism - a working process - of biological "wheels within wheels," of functional, interrelated, interdependent components. A vitamin consists of not only the organic nutrient(s) identified as the vitamin, but also enzymes, coenzymes, antioxidants, and trace element activators.
Living things can be produced only from living things, never from non-living matter. Chemically-pure, refined, fractionated, and synthetic vitamins are dead, inert materials, non-perishable and devoid of enzymes. Natural foods contain live vitamins, organic minerals, enzymes, and other vital, functional, alive components, all organized (organic) by the sun, rain, water, soil's nutrients, and living bacteria.



Some Examples of Natural vs. Synthetic

1) Live, natural complexes are colloidal, protein in nature, and usually exist as enzymes or coenzymes. Heat, pasteurization, and steam sterilization destroy enzyme and enzyme activators, so supplements produced utilizing any of these procedures are not vitamin complexes.

2) The crystalline or chemically-pure vitamin, once separated from its protein (enzyme) component, has its biological activity – function - destroyed.

3) The natural complex contains trace mineral activators. Without these activators, the vitamin fails as a biochemical catalyst and function ceases.

4) Chemically-pure vitamins taken into the body must be "put in the proper combination" (recombined, if possible) with the other natural components of that vitamin complex - that is, those components missing from the chemically - pure vitamins - before they can function as a vitamin. This would "use up" from the body's reserves, those missing, natural factors, leading to, if taken for a long time or if a marginal deficiency already exists, a deficiency of those components. Therefore, since these synergistic factors are normally an integral part of the vitamin complex necessary to its form and function, a deficiency of that vitamin itself may develop. It is ironic that a deficit of the very vitamin taken occurs because of taking a chemically-pure form!

A vitamin supplement, then, cannot simply be an individual chemical or several chemicals. Supplements must be food concentrates, intact, integrated, with their vitamin complexes incorporated so as to retain their functional and nutritional integrity. Foods contain innumerable substances, many of which are - and will always be - unknown, that produce a combined effect to which a single ingredient cannot compare, leading to imbalanced effects. Therefore, a synthetic vitamin can only be used for a drug effect: it can mask or cover over symptoms, but does not alleviate the cause of the illness, disease, insult, or injury.
linkage: http://www.standardprocessofnyc.com/...synthetic.html

And although i imagine this guy has an agenda to sell his own product, here's more related stuff to unnatural supplements:
Why Your Vitamins Don't Work

This is generally related to the vitamin side of things? i am not sure about protein or glutamine as they come from meat products (normally?).

As for creatine, i don't really know what is? although i believe it's a synthetic compund anyway?

Anyway i would've thought it'd probably be cheaper to buy the natural supplements in natural form anyway? like a bag of oranges instead of a bottle of vitamin c or something else?
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