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Old 12-15-2003, 01:49 PM   #39 (permalink)
Superbelt
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This is Rumsfelds Bio.
http://www.defenselink.mil/bios/rumsfeld.html
Note position such as: Secretary of Defense, and Special Presidential Envoy to the Middle East (1983 - 1984)

This is Cheneys Bio.
http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/...ios/cheney.htm
Secretary of Defense under the Bush Admin.

http://hnn.us/comments/9046.html
Quote:
The U.S. publicly opposed chemical weapons use in the Iran-Iraq war after 1983, but did not modify its policy of supporting Iraq, and took measures to prevent that country from being sanctioned in international fora (this included intervention to prevent Iraq from being specifically named as a perpetrator.)
http://www.casi.org.uk/info/usdocs/usiraq80s90s.html
(go through this whole site, very interesting diplomacy information concerning the US and Iraq.
Quote:
1984
The SD announced on 6 March that, based on "available evidence," it "concluded" that Iraq used "lethal chemical weapons" (specifically mustard gas) in fresh fighting with Iran.[13] On 20 March, U.S. intelligence officials said that they had "what they believe to be incontrovertible evidence that Iraq has used nerve gas in its war with Iran and has almost finished extensive sites for mass-producing the lethal chemical warfare agent".[14]
Yet we kept supporting them.

Quote:
1989
By October 1989, when all international banks had cut off loans to Iraq, President Bush signed National Security Directive (NSD) 26 mandating closer links with Iraq and $1 billion in agricultural loan guarantees. These guarantees freed for Iraq hard cash to continue to buy and develop WMDs, and are suspended only on 2 August 1990, the same day that Iraq invaded Kuwait. Richard Haass, then a National Security Council official, and Robert Kimmitt, Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, also told the Commerce Department (CD) not to single Iraq out for dual-use technology restrictions.[55]"
http://projects.sipri.se/armstrade/T...Imps_73-02.pdf
The US apparently traded with Iraq in formal arms sales from 1983-1988.
This shows the US as very low comparable to some others. What this chart doesn't say is what kind of weapons were introduced. For instance, alot of assault rifles and tanks and planes were sold by the Russians, French, and Chinese. Alot of training, and high grade things like Nuke designs and expensive and delicate cultures were sold by America.
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Use of WMD's

Documented Iraqi Use of Chemical Weapons
http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_...q_Oct_2002.htm
Date
Area Used
Type of Agent
Approximate Casualties
Target Population

Aug 1983
Hajj Umran
Mustard
fewer than 100
Iranians/Kurds

Oct-Nov 1983
Panjwin
Mustard
3,000
Iranian/Kurds

Feb-Mar 1984
Majnoon Island
Mustard
2,500
Iranians

Mar 1984
al-Basrah
Tabun
50 to 100
Iranians

Mar 1985
Hawizah Marsh
Mustard/Tabun
3,000
Iranians

Feb 1986
al-Faw
Mustard/Tabun
8,000 to 10,000
Iranians

Dec 1986
Umm ar Rasas
Mustard
thousands
Iranians

Apr 1987
al-Basrah
Mustard/Tabun
5,000
Iranians

Oct 1987
Sumar/Mehran
Mustard/nerve agents
3,000
Iranians

Mar 1988
Halabjah
Mustard/nerve agents
hundreds
Iranians/Kurds

We knew they were using their wmd, especially Mustard gas to such a deadly degree. We documented it, yet we maintained diplomatic relations and even.....
...repeat...
Quote:
By October 1989, when all international banks had cut off loans to Iraq, President Bush signed National Security Directive (NSD) 26 mandating closer links with Iraq and $1 billion in agricultural loan guarantees. These guarantees freed for Iraq hard cash to continue to buy and develop WMDs, and are suspended only on 2 August 1990, the same day that Iraq invaded Kuwait. Richard Haass, then a National Security Council official, and Robert Kimmitt, Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, also told the Commerce Department (CD) not to single Iraq out for dual-use technology restrictions.[55]/
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_cr/s092002.html
Quote:
Sept 20 2002. Senator Byrd at the Senate Armed Services Committee.

" The last time Donald Rumsfeld saw Saddam Hussein, he gave
him a cordial handshake. The date was almost 20 years ago,
Dec. 20, 1983; an official Iraqi television crew recorded the
historic moment.
The once and future Defense secretary, at the time a
private citizen, had been sent by President Ronald Reagan to
Baghdad as a special envoy. Saddam Hussein, armed with a
pistol on his hip, seemed "vigorous and confident,"
according to a now declassified State Department cable
obtained by Newsweek. Rumsfeld "conveyed the President's
greetings and expressed his pleasure at being in Baghdad,"
wrote the notetaker. Then the two men got down to business,
talking about the need to improve relations between their two
countries.
Like most foreign-policy insiders, Rumsfeld was aware that
Saddam was a murderous thug who supported terrorists and was
trying to build a nuclear weapon. (The Israelis had already
bombed Iraq's nuclear reactor at Osirak.) But at the time,
America's big worry was Iran, not Iraq. The Reagan
administration feared that the Iranian revolutionaries who
had overthrown the shah (and taken hostage American diplomats
for 444 days in 1979-81) would overrun the Middle East and
its vital oilfields. On the--theory that the enemy of my
enemy is my friend, the Reaganites were seeking to support
Iraq in a long and bloody war against Iran. The meeting
between Rumsfeld and Saddam was consequential: for the next
five years, until Iran finally capitulated, the United States
backed Saddam's armies with military intelligence, economic
aid and covert supplies of munitions."

..

It is hard to believe that, during most of the 1980s,
America knowingly permitted the Iraq Atomic Energy Commission
to import bacterial cultures that might be used to build
biological weapons. But it happened.

...

American officials have known that Saddam was a psychopath
ever since he became the country's de facto ruler in the
early 1970s. One of Saddam's early acts after he took the
title of president in 1979 was to videotape a session of his party's congress, during which he personally ordered several members executed on the spot.
Quote:
The United States almost certainly knew from its own
satellite imagery that Saddam was using chemical weapons
against Iranian troops. When Saddam bombed Kurdish rebels and
civilians with a lethal cocktail of mustard gas, sarin, tabun
and VX in 1988, the Reagan administration first blamed Iran, before
acknowledging, under pressure from congressional Democrats,
that the culprits were Saddam's own forces. There was only
token official protest at the time. Saddam's men were
unfazed. An Iraqi audiotape, later captured by the Kurds,
records Saddam's cousin Ali Hassan al-Majid (known as Ali
Chemical) talking to his fellow officers about gassing the
Kurds. "Who is going to say anything?" he asks. "The
international community? F----k them!"
Read ALL of that, it is also very good reading.

ESPECIALLY because in the article we list all the biological agents we sent to Iraq. It's invoices, not just speculations.

Including:
Anthrax, Botulism, Megaterium, Bacillus Subtilis, Brucella, Cholera, E Coli.
Bhania Virus, Dongua Virus, Hazara Virus, Kemeroud Virus, Langat Virus, Sandfly Fever, Sindbis Virus, Tahyna Virus, Thgoto Virus, West Nile Virus.
Also included were teaching supplies on how to handle, culture, support and contain these biological agents.

Thats a short list of the crap we gave them. There were also ballistic missile tech, nuclear tech support and some materials, (no nuclear material to my knowledge though) and chemical agents. I used to have a very good source of all this stuff but it has passe through my fingers in the past couple months. I'm sorry. But now that we have him alive I am sure I will be able to get that kind of information again in the next several months.

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Now, onto what we are doing NOW: Uzbekistan and Equatorial Guinea.

We are providing uzbek with lots of money, around 500 million a year I believe to do with as he pleases. And what pleases him are acid baths and burning people alive.
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...threadid=36267

Equatorial Guinea is a pretty little country In which the president had his opponents imprisoned and tortured, had his presidential predecessor executed by firing squad, helped himself to the state treasury at will. State radio recently declared him ''like God.''
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...threadid=25785

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