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Old 12-08-2003, 06:50 PM   #12 (permalink)
james t kirk
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Originally posted by apechild

The UN, through the empty rhetoric of 16 resolutions over the course of 12 years, proved itself unwilling or unable to enforce the will of the international community. It became irrelevant. As a result of this irrelevance, perhaps even in direct response to its proven inability to act, other nations became emboldened, audacious, and belligerent.
Well, yeah, but the UN has this thing called a charter. It's sort of like the constitution in that it's supposed to be the law.

And the UN charter basically says that it can not attack a country that has not attacked another country.

Since Iraq had not attacked another country since 91, the UN couldn't very well disobey it's own rules and go in and take out Iraq. It doesn't work that way.

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Originally posted by apechild

The order that exists when strong leaders have the conviction and fortitude to defend free nations from the threat of attack by tyrannical megalomaniacs had been deteriorating rapidly. The order that exists when people have reason to believe that their actions have consequences, that their wrongdoings will not go unnoticed, that their threats, provocations, and attacks will be resisted, was evaporating.
What luck for rulers, that men do not think.

Please list examples of how Iraq was a threat to the United States.

Tyrannical meglomaniacs. I like that. The current leader of Kazakhstan apparently makes Saddam look like your kindly grandfather type. But the USA backs this guy up all the way.

Why is that?

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2001/eur/8275.htm



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Originally posted by apechild
But we allowed the internal squabbling of the UN member nations to weaken our resolve. Bill Clinton and Madeleine Albright specifically sought the avoidance of conflicts - not their resolution - no matter what the long-term costs. Saddam soon began to realize that without effective leadership among those who might resist him, he could get away with almost anything.
Like what?


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On September 11th, 2001, Osama bin Laden and his followers sought to take advantage of our perceived apathy and weakness. That morning we learned that a couple of cave-dwelling half-wits dressed in rags actually believed they could destroy America.
By the way, where is Osama these days?

And from what i have read, Osama and company weren't motivated by your perceived apathy, they were motivated by the US presence in the middle east, Saudi Arabia, etc.
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