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Originally posted by chavos
Just because you don't personally observe an effect does not mean it is non-existant. When trees fall in the forest, they still make sounds....
99%? Wow. We almost never get that kind of luck in any other kind of police work we do. This patriot act must have super-freaking powers. Seriously...that's a made up number, and it doesn't really have a place in reasoned debate.
By using it, you advance an ad hominem attack. Anyone who believes the Patriot act is overreaching is protecting criminals. That hinges on one thing. What does the Patriot act do? Does it lawfully help deter criminals, or does it deprive people of their rights? You're speculating that it does the former...but there's some pretty solid evidence presented that it does the latter.
Look...i'm all for aprehending criminals and terrorists. But i don't see why i have to trust the government to do that with out judicial oversight, and accountability to me through the press. And i don't see why people can't have lawyers when they face the judical system, or a military tribunal. etc...
Does that make me a person who wants to protect criminals? No.... Don't know why you thought you could say it did.
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I agree with these sentiments completely. Sadly, the socio/political mood of the country has got to the point where many people would angrily scream "Well leave the fucking country if you dont agree". Clearly there is something wrong.