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Yes, Stud. A party is allowed to gather information so long as the intent is there to either prosecute in a criminal action or to bring the matter before a civil court for trial. However, the RIAA has already stated that they will not be litigating in every case.....yet they still gather the data in every case.
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How would they know what cases would be worth pursuing if they do not have the information?
Also you conveniently side stepped my other question that is are prosecutors obligated to prosecute EVERY case they gather information on? Why not?
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I could understand if the RIAA had to gather this information in order to determine the scope of copyright infringement on the part of an individual, but this can be determined by utilizing the user IDs or the ISP's terminal location information. So why would the RIAA need to compile data for people who don't fall into the criteria they've claimed to be using?
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Because they can. If it is illegal then you should complain to the local authorities.
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You work for those naughty little Nazi bastards, don't you?
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See this is where you lose all credibility. No, I do not. I just do not think it is a good practice to start ripping people off because you:
A. Really want the product so you create some small justification to do so.
B. The person is not likeable. That reminds me of what happened in a little country called Germany around 1938-45. Also in the United States public opinion was used to create laws to steal from those dreaded Japanese Americans, or just "Japs" to racist b@stards like you, and steal property and items from them.
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And by the way, a SSN is something which is required to be given only to the IRS, to your banking institutions, and to your employer. I don't know where you got the idea that it's public domain, but it's also a Federal Crime for any of those recipients to divulge it without the permission of the SSN-holder. That's why when you apply for a credit card or a checking/savings account, they ask you to sign that little piece of paper which allows your SSN to be shared with credit reporting agencies and other portions of their financial enterprise.
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Do you know that the RIAA is seeking SSN numbers from ISP's? Hahaha!
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Get a clue, Gomer. What part of "....to annoy persistently; bother." would not be accurately described by finding out from your ISP that you're being listed, researched, and potentially sued?
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You mean we should never prosecute criminals because it may "...annoy persistently; bother." The poor innocent child molester, rapist, murderer? Great move Einstein!
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Yes, the RIAA is not breaking the law with their actions....they sure as hell paid enough for that law to be written and enacted in Congress!
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Intellectual property is a hard thing to understand. But when people's life's work is in the intellectual property realm it can mean their livelihood and the choice between producing music, movies, new medicines, computer programs, books…etc.
Justifying the theft of the intellectual property will be profitable to you in the short term. In the long term it will inhibit development and eventually hurt EVERY ONE.
But selfish people like you do not have to worry about that do they?
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Two years ago this would not have even been possible, and yes - they would have been breaking the law as it stood back then.
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Well lucky for us they did not develop a time machine and go go back two years to do this!
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I for one have a hard time accepting that pre-teen children are capable of being fully cognizant of the ramifications their actions have, and as a result prosecuting them for infractions like this is asinine.
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Again, the girl will not be prosecuted. The parents will be. Do you even know if the girl was the one downloading the music or if the adults are making her a stooge?
I think you think this justifies your theft, so you WANT to believe it, but you do not know all of the facts.
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But please, Stud....tell me how this is a just course of action: how can punishing someone who is not yet mature enough (or with enough life experience) to know the potential risks of their actions be anything other than diligence run amok?
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Well if that was not happening I MAY agree with you.
But we do not know if it was the 11 year old girl, we do not know that she did not know what she was doing was wrong, we do not know why she, while living on the taxpayers dime, was not being supervised by her parents IF she was the actual one doing it.
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Tell you what: you review your own life and the actions you've taken during it. If you haven't broken a single law (and jaywalking is included), then feel free to stand on your little soapbox and chide those of us who actually go out there and live in the real world. I will welcome your smug rebuttals with open arms and a smile on my face.
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I live in the real world. I may speed every once in a while but I DO NOT STEAL. And if I get caught speeding I don’t cry "But I'm only 22 years old!!" Stupidity at its best…
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However, if you are like the multitudes out there who have broken a law or two, then by all means voice your opinions (I know I sure do, that's for sure!) but remember that scoffing at others is something which you're not really suited for, as you're pretty much in the same boat as everybody else.
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No, that is not true at all. In your immature mind you have just rationalized, murder, rape, torture, child molesting and a whole host of other crimes. If I get caught for speeding I pay for it, as this girls parents should pay for their crime.