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Old 08-28-2003, 04:45 PM   #22 (permalink)
chavos
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No offense intended, I was merely interpreting your statement as poorly as possible for partisan effect -- my apologies, I meant it as just a rhetorical device.
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I must disagree with you here. When this line of argument is brought up I'm always reminded of the parable of the beach full of stranded starfish and the boy throwing them back into the ocean, one at a time. He can't possibly help them all, or even help enough to make a difference. But as he said, getting ready to hurl a starfish back into the water, "It makes a difference to this one."
Well, there are other, cheaper starfish that want us to intervene....Liberia. But you don't see us there. Thus, why i make the claim that using human rights to support the invasion is aribtrary. That's never been the cause of war before, nor did that take center stage UNTIL the wmd's didn't show up. Then Blair started trotting out the "history will forgive us" speech. It's an okay arguement, but it doesn't mitigate the fact that we invaded a nation on fiat...

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We could lift the sanctions, but there's not much more at our disposal by the point we get to sanctions, to substitute in place for non-compliance. Gigli wasn't out yet, remember.
Bennifer does have a use! Lmao...

But...without actual evidence of WMDs, and aside from the slow starvation induced by UN sanctions, Saddam is just a two bit dictator, no different from other regional powers. He may have talked to Al Queda? Big Farking Deal. We know the Saudis have ties...we know several other states have ties to Islamic Jihad, Al Fatah, Hezzbollah, and other terrorist organizations. And they regularly brutalize their citizenry.

I agree, to an extent, about liberating such oppressed and destabilized nations. But, i don't think i approve of doing so under soley our national authority. First and foremost is a question of practicality. Becuase it is only US/UK troops...it is easy to cast us as the invader, and to call upon more moderate elements in these nations to support extremist opposition. Dealing with Saudi terrorists is a pain in the ass...do we really want to deal with a generation of Iraqi terrorists that have a grudge against the occupying forces?

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