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crumbbum · 06-18-2003, 02:44 PM

The use of child soldiers is a war crime. If a child is trying to throw a molotov cocktail into a tank, he is threatening the lives of the soldiers. Why is a child on a battlefield? What would you do, as a soldier, if a crowd of screaming children surrounded you, and began pelting you with fist sized rocks? I'm sure you'd say "stop", but then your nose would get broken. Maybe your knees would hit next. When the next one hit you in the side of the head, and suddenly you are seeing double, realizing that you are about to die. What would you do?

A further question. If you were a wanted man, and you knew that there people out who were trying to kill you, what would you do? You would run, or hide out. What about your family? If you loved your kids, what would you tell them to do if you knew you were being targeted? I know that if it was me, and i loved my kids, I would make sure there were as far from me as possible. Instead, Palestinian terrorists surround themselves with as many women and kids as possible, so that when such people are unintentionally killed, people like you fall for it hook, line and sinker. The use of human shields is a war crime. In the Gulf war, Saddam hid weapons and soldiers in hospitals, schools, and Red Cross depots. Whose fault is it if they are targeted?

If it is, as you say, "tanks against kids", why is it that 2/3 of Israelis that have been killed are civilian non-combatants, whereas only 10% of Palestinian casualties are? Palestinian terrorists deliberately target and murder innocent people, as many as possible. In the fight against terrorism, some Palestinian civilians are killed. The terrorists choose to hide in urban areas, surrounded by people. I'd be curious as to how you would handle it.

If this person really read this whole thread, as they claim, and they really believe what they are saying, I do not believe that they are motivated by compassion for suffering people. To be so willfully ignorant, to pay such selective attention to reality, this person must not be motivated by compassion, but by loathing of the state of Israel, or of Jews.

Believe it or not, Sun-Tzu, I do care about the suffering on the Palestinian side as well. I think it is disgusting that they have been kept in squallid refugee camps for 55 years. As I posted earlier, Israel made an effort at one point to build them better living accomodations, to improve the humanitarian situation, and of course the Arab countries refused. This is because Palestinian suffering has been and continues to be exploited. I would like this conflict to end as soon as possible, to end the suffering of both parties. I do not want things to happen that would increase the violence or reinforce the things that are the real sources of the conflict. I have already articulated, as has the author of the article I posted above from the National Review, what keeps this conflict going. Whoever, after reading this whole thread, could post such an ignorant statement, is not in any way serious about or motivated by a desire for peace.

The anti-Israel religious Jews are in fact still Zionists- they believe very strongly that Jews have a right to the land. They are in opposition to a secular state of Israel. They believe that the only Jewish country on that land should be a religious society, which they think will be established with the coming of the messiah. They still however, pray three times a day for the "return to Zion". Don't make the mistake of confusing this with something else. They just don't believe in any secular Israel. They are also a tiny minority among religious Jews.

If there is anyone else still reading this thread, I would really appreciate if someone would acknowledge that I am making some valid points here. I don't care if anyone agrees with my conclusions, but it is exhausting debating when the other party is choosing willful ignorance, or paying selective attention to information I've posted. It is pointless, as I'm coming to realize, to try to reason with these kinds of statements as that last post. I hope someone reading the thread at least has found some things I've posted thought provoking. Such sentiment makes me fearful for the future of the world I live in.

06-18-2003, 02:44 PM	#81 (permalink)
crumbbum Crazy Location: CT,NYC,NJ(have been all over)	The use of child soldiers is a war crime. If a child is trying to throw a molotov cocktail into a tank, he is threatening the lives of the soldiers. Why is a child on a battlefield? What would you do, as a soldier, if a crowd of screaming children surrounded you, and began pelting you with fist sized rocks? I'm sure you'd say "stop", but then your nose would get broken. Maybe your knees would hit next. When the next one hit you in the side of the head, and suddenly you are seeing double, realizing that you are about to die. What would you do? A further question. If you were a wanted man, and you knew that there people out who were trying to kill you, what would you do? You would run, or hide out. What about your family? If you loved your kids, what would you tell them to do if you knew you were being targeted? I know that if it was me, and i loved my kids, I would make sure there were as far from me as possible. Instead, Palestinian terrorists surround themselves with as many women and kids as possible, so that when such people are unintentionally killed, people like you fall for it hook, line and sinker. The use of human shields is a war crime. In the Gulf war, Saddam hid weapons and soldiers in hospitals, schools, and Red Cross depots. Whose fault is it if they are targeted? If it is, as you say, "tanks against kids", why is it that 2/3 of Israelis that have been killed are civilian non-combatants, whereas only 10% of Palestinian casualties are? Palestinian terrorists deliberately target and murder innocent people, as many as possible. In the fight against terrorism, some Palestinian civilians are killed. The terrorists choose to hide in urban areas, surrounded by people. I'd be curious as to how you would handle it. If this person really read this whole thread, as they claim, and they really believe what they are saying, I do not believe that they are motivated by compassion for suffering people. To be so willfully ignorant, to pay such selective attention to reality, this person must not be motivated by compassion, but by loathing of the state of Israel, or of Jews. Believe it or not, Sun-Tzu, I do care about the suffering on the Palestinian side as well. I think it is disgusting that they have been kept in squallid refugee camps for 55 years. As I posted earlier, Israel made an effort at one point to build them better living accomodations, to improve the humanitarian situation, and of course the Arab countries refused. This is because Palestinian suffering has been and continues to be exploited. I would like this conflict to end as soon as possible, to end the suffering of both parties. I do not want things to happen that would increase the violence or reinforce the things that are the real sources of the conflict. I have already articulated, as has the author of the article I posted above from the National Review, what keeps this conflict going. Whoever, after reading this whole thread, could post such an ignorant statement, is not in any way serious about or motivated by a desire for peace. The anti-Israel religious Jews are in fact still Zionists- they believe very strongly that Jews have a right to the land. They are in opposition to a secular state of Israel. They believe that the only Jewish country on that land should be a religious society, which they think will be established with the coming of the messiah. They still however, pray three times a day for the "return to Zion". Don't make the mistake of confusing this with something else. They just don't believe in any secular Israel. They are also a tiny minority among religious Jews. If there is anyone else still reading this thread, I would really appreciate if someone would acknowledge that I am making some valid points here. I don't care if anyone agrees with my conclusions, but it is exhausting debating when the other party is choosing willful ignorance, or paying selective attention to information I've posted. It is pointless, as I'm coming to realize, to try to reason with these kinds of statements as that last post. I hope someone reading the thread at least has found some things I've posted thought provoking. Such sentiment makes me fearful for the future of the world I live in. __________________ Truth is peace. We are all souls in bodies. Last edited by crumbbum; 06-18-2003 at 02:49 PM..