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Originally Posted by filtherton
Then why do you have so much faith in the market?
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My view is not based on faith. My view is based on my experience, observations, study and at times some tests I have conducted.
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It is every greedy person's dream to be able to control and restrict the freedoms of others. Free markets excel at giving power to greedy people.
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Actually, the opposite is true. It is the few who seek political power that most aggressively try to control the behaviors of others. It is through centralized command and control systems that are most exploitative. Free people with choice can respond. Controlled people can not.
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I think that the market is good for a lot of things. Looking out for the powerless isn't one of them.
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I support social safety nets for children, elderly and the disabled. I think we have a moral obligation to protect the powerless. I am guessing we fundamentally disagree on what we consider as "powerless". For example to me a 20 year-old who failed to take advantage of a free education and lives in his mother's basement, playing video games and eating Doritos all day and night is not "powerless". I have no sympathy for people like that. However, as soon as he is willing to go to work, i would be the first in line to want to help him - just don't tell me I gotta pay him $15 per hour to get trained or more than he is worth after he gets trained.
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I don't think your point of view is as mysterious as you do. And thievery isn't always illegal.
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But it is always wrong.
---------- Post added at 04:25 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:17 PM ----------
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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
Okay, ace, don't listen to what I say, or simply disagree with very little (if any) basis, including disagreeing with facts.
I think we're done here. For now.
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Nothing I have written here is incorrect (not including typos), in my opinion. and most of my last post was really just further clarification on points I had been making all along and in response to your critique. But it is true, I have nothing new to say that will influence anyone here on this topic. But, it is clear that there are shifting views as evidenced by the Tea Party and perhaps by conservatives in Canada.
Given our exchange, if it is representative of what the political discourse will be over the next two years, I fully expect a massive sweep by the Tea Party or those who advocate for Tea Party principles, in the 2012 elections in the US