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Old 02-18-2011, 04:18 PM   #266 (permalink)
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Or, do you really believe that without economic reform that includes free market capitalism Egyptians will be o.k. with what is from your post:
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Would you be ok living in China because they're capitalistic even though they have 0 rights? Government systems and economic systems are separate.

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Isn't the US form of democracy as a political system an oligarchy?
Is there a workable political system in operation on a national level anywhere in the world that is not an oligarchy?
Is the elimination of oligarchy really the ultimate goal of the protesters or is it perhaps more basic?


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A complete tangent but I'll bite. You're right, the US is an oligarchy. It's also the biggest danger we as a country face, as the rich families convince us to continually vote in their favor as the country itself suffers. Hell I learned a long time ago I'd never get to retire... at least now I know it's because of the oligarchy we live in.

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No, I am not wrong. First, I doubt your "percentage" comment adds up. To suggest that a higher percentage is upper class in a country where the most people live in poverty is hard to believe and you give no source. I agree that "technocrats" as a class will join a revolution, but if they lead a revolution the message and appeal has to be targeted to the masses-or the people who are not upper-class.

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You continually show your lack of education for the region Ace, please stop arguing about stuff you've had 0 education in.

Lawyers, Engineers, and Doctors are NOT the upper class in Egypt. They belong to the technocrat class, a class that developed as a result of free education granted in the Socialist system through the 70s/80s/90s. The good part about it is it created from scratch an educated Middle Class where before none existed, the problem is they had too many highly educated people who now found themselves without jobs that supported their education. We are seeing more or less the same thing here in the US, where employment levels for College Grads are approaching 30% when you don't count jobs that pay less than $25k.

This causes a big issue when educated people are not granted social climbing abilities, as seen in Egypt where the Government chooses who is allowed to be successful and the military controls the vast majority of production in the country. These technocrats are the face of the revolution in Egypt. They have no problem feeding their families, but have no opportunity for social advancement regardless of skills possessed. Notice this isn't 100% in opposition to your economic justification for the problems, but you'll also notice it's significantly more complex than your "can't feed the kids" reasons that have almost no basis in the reality for the country.

Please don't just "quotation" any word you've never heard of before and write off the entire reason for it to be there. It's not too hard to google something you don't know, and it might enlighten entire aspects of the world you don't know.
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