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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
I would suggest it is Islamophobia if one were to suggest that the Muslim Brotherhood is radical and terrorist. They aren't.
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I do not know where they stand on issues related to personal freedom. It is not clear.
Just as I would not support and have concerns regarding extreme right wing Christians who may want to restrict personal freedoms the same would be true for any other religious group who might want to impose their religious views on my or anyone's personal life.
I know the concept of "personal freedom" can be a bit vague on the margins, but without splitting hairs, I assume most understand the types of things I am referring to.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
it's not simple.
nothing is simple.
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How wrong you are! Having a right of self determination is simple, both on a national scale and on a personal level. You either support self determination or you don't. With what you post here I would think you would be 100% on board with that. Is your issue that nations should have that right but not individual people?
The underlying values of self determination are very consistent with simple basic human rights - in my view only those who want to control others oppose self determination. I am against anyone or any organization opposed to self determination. No Phd. required.
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Originally Posted by Cimarron29414
One thing which struck me from the young lady's call-to-arms video (posted above) was her technique for encouragement. It was clearly cultural and very much, "if you don't do this, you are not a man." It was pervasive throughout the entire message, to question one's manliness if they showed reluctance.
I suppose Mubarak has been conditioned his entire life to this line of thinking. "Surrender is not manly". So, I think there's a lot of that going on with him right now. Then there's family honor, tribal honor (if applicable), shia/sunni honor, the general personal arrogance which comes from being the headshit for 30 years, and the 82-year-old "no young whipper-snapper is going to tell me what to do" crotchetiness.
This man has some serious humility hurdles to jump in order to do what is right. Frankly, I don't think he has it in him. It looks like good ole stubbornness at this point.
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...and what happens if there is no departure on the "Day of Departure"? That's going to be a kick in the nuts to the movement. Perhaps, Mubarak thinks if he can get through the Day of Departure it's clear sailing?
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This is a very important point that American liberals don't get. I think Obama administration's handling of Mubarak clearly illustrates this problem. In addition, one really has to parse the words from Obama's administration to even begin to understand what they want and even then you find they take every opportunity to leave their message open to the interpretation of the listener.