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Originally Posted by roachboy
you know what, ace? i'm done with you here.
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Donate $100 to a charity for every time you have written that.
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you're defending a position the sole function of which is to undercut (in some imaginary world) the utter stupidity of what juan williams said. i find it beyond bizarre that you've gone as far as you've gone in an apparent quest to shuck any responsibility for stupidity on williams' part and, seemingly, on your own.
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There are a number of people who are not affiliated with Fox News and who are liberal who have supported Williams also - what do you say to them?
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btw i take this sort of discussion really personally.
i've laid out in the past some of the reasons why.
i am not interested in your pathetic attempts to normalize bigotry.
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And how do you feel about devote evangelical Christians in Congress? Is it your preference that they not be in Congress? Why? Are you a bigot?
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nor am i interested in normalizing routine conservative racism.
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Is there a difference between conservative racism and liberal (or whatever the opposite of conservativism is in your mind) racism?
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i would far prefer to marginalize it. i would prefer to use it to push conservative back under the cultural rock they crawled out from under.
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So, are you saying you want all conservatives to crawl under some figurative rock? Is this a form of bigotry? Are all conservatives bad people in your mind? Why?
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and i couldn't care less about "converting" people like you.
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You give yourself far too much credit. With your approach you could not possibly convert or persuade me of anything.
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so far as i am concerned, if you are amenable to being "converted" to thinking like a rational being, i am not the person to undertake the task.
i dont care about "dialogue" with bigots.
call it a limitation.
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I hope you are prepared for the future violence that will follow from such a narrow view of open dialog.
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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
A question: Are you attempting to rationalize wholesale Islamophobia?
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Why not address what is obvious about this issue?
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Originally Posted by mixedmedia
Fact is, you don't whether anyone regardless of how they look is going to be a danger to you. It doesn't take a particularly enlightened person to realize that not only Arabs and black guys are killing people in this world. Yet, apparently it takes an inordinate amount of rational thought to keep oneself from slipping into a paranoid fit whenever they see an 'Arab looking all Muslimy' on a plane.
I suggest that any who feels that way not go back and re-watch those airport security cameras of the 9/11 hijackers before they got onto the planes. Then you might find yourself freaking out over all the Hispanic or vaguely Mediterranean-looking guys with button-down collars and chinos, too. Unless, of course, you are convinced that you can tell a Greek from an Italian from a Puerto Rican from a Spaniard from a Lebanese from a Pakistani, etc., etc., etc. with absolute certainty. Maybe, to be safe, you should just stay home. Board yourselves in even.
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So, what information do you use from your environment in order to minimize controllable risks?
Once I went to Bingo with my grandmother, I observed my environment and came to one conclusion regarding risk. The next night I went to a Club and came to a different conclusion regarding risk. I used information from my environment, including my observations of people - what do you do? Do you just go through life thinking everything is a 5 on a scale of 1 to 10? Does it make you a bigot if your number goes up to 9 in a certain situation?
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Originally Posted by boink
your saying your gonna spot the next shoe bomber ?
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Yes. If he/she is within my sight and they start acting abnormally, I am going to spot them - and act. Are you suggesting that you won't? Are you saying that you are not going to pay attention? Perhaps I don't understand the question.