Quote:
Originally Posted by Willravel
You're spending your Sunday morning being angry on the internet? Why? I'm not here to be angry, I'm here to discuss.
|
When one is implying, in a public forum, I am filled with hate and bigotry and knows nothing about me as a person, yes, I get a little angry especially when I am just bringing forth MY beliefs. And not one of them has anything to do with hatred or bigotry... but someone has to imply it does.
Quote:
|
Dunedan was specifically defending the bigots in the Tea Party. I was specifically addressing that. Are you intentionally trying to change my argument or are you just reading what you want to read? Honestly, what's your problem?
|
It was you quoting ME and saying that so don't you dare play fucking innocent and say... Ooo I was answering someone else. It was my post you quoted and therefore it gives every indication you were replying to me.
Quote:
|
Who keeps bringing up "Farrakhans, Wrights, and NBPP"? You.
|
Who keeps saying the Tea Party is full of hate and as I showed above you only really use racism... you mention the other prejudices but you use only racism as an example... I'm just saying, if you are going to say I am a defender of bigots because I support the Tea Party... then you are a reverse racist because you support people who listen to them.
You want to label me but I can't dare label you.... BULLSHIT.
Quote:
|
I did because part of the Tea Party is racist. Why are you not getting my simple point? The people of the Tea Party have one thing in common: hate. Some of them are racially bigoted, some of them are gender bigoted, some of them hate the poor, some of them hate the president, some of them hate immigrants, etc. etc. Do you understand? The Tea Party itself isn't racist, but part of it is and the rest of it is there because of a shared hatred of something. That's the point.
|
But as I have shown above... RACE is what you focus on.
Quote:
I've posted tu quoque a few times already, but you don't seem to understand. A tu quoque argument attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting his failure to act consistently in accordance with that position; it attempts to show that a criticism or objection applies equally to the person making it. It is considered an ad hominem argument, since it focuses on the party itself, rather than its positions. If you can't actually address my points, don't bother responding.
President Obama is not responsible for the problems in the economy. He's not made every effort I would have to fix things, but even a conservative can see that we're in a hole because of Wall Street and deregulation, not President Obama. How can he be responsible for a recession that started months before he took office? Answer: he can't. You know that as well as anyone, but as Jon Stewart would say, it doesn't fit in your narrative.
True.
True.
True.
And that's when you went off the rails. Aside from the respectable $400k annual salary, President Obama and his family are nothing like the aristocracy in France before the revolution. Ask roachboy. The Obamas don't have the "best of everything", the richest 1% of Americans do. The corporate elite are the aristocracy in the United States, not the guy that's president for 4-8 years. The Obamas don't get the best of everything at the cost of anyone. Never once did I complain that the Bush family was living in the White House or that Bush made $400,000 a year, ever, because that comes with the job. Being president is one of the most difficult jobs in the world, so of course it pays respectably. If the president only made $30,000 a year, it would be unfair.
You're acting like everything suddenly went to shit in January of 2009. Which is dishonest. Hyperbolic "losing everything we have built for 200+ years" crap aside, we started heading downhill in 1980, not 2008.
As for Michelle Obama, she actually has money of her own. Vice President for Community and External Affairs for University of Chicago Hospitals pays about $275k a year, iirc. She's also worked for TreeHouse Foods on the board, which is a salaried position. I don't know where you get this idea that somehow she's spending the state's money on vacations. And if she is spending some of the $400k from the president's salary, what business is it of yours? He's earned that money. He's not spending money from Social Security or pensions, he's spending his salary.
You have a job, right? When you spend money you've earned, do people hassle you for spending company money on things for your personal use? Of course not. That would be absurd.
Okay, you're obviously just trolling now. Calling the democratically elected president a king is stupid. Stop wasting forum space with this shit.
|
I see. So when it was Bush all the comparisons to Hitler and Naziism and calling him King George from the left were ok.... but now that Obama is president, any comparisons, rightfully or just in one man's opinion, it's wrong and you want to get all pissy and defensive over it.
Bullshit. If I compared Bush to Hitler because I believed there were comparisons to be made. Then I will do the same to Obamas and the Bourbon family of revolutionary France... don't like it? Aw well, ignore it. I won't stop the comparisons.
Quote:
|
If you're defending the Tea Party as a whole, you are defending bigots because there are bigots doing racist things in the Tea Party. That's not complicated. You're also defending xenophobes, people that hate the poor, people that hate 'abortionists', people that hate the president, people that hate taxes, people that hate Pelosi and Reid, people that hate the federal government, people that hate women, people that hate regulations on the market, and people that hate people like me. It's a collection of different people that hate different things, brought together by Fox News through fear to pool their hatred into an astroturf movement.
|
And if you are defending people who defend and stand with Farrakhan, Wright, the New Black Panther Party, people that hate the rich (yet are some of the richest people in this country, people that hated Bush, people that hated Gingrich, Limbaugh, Fox News, want to regulate and take rights away, want to turn the Constitution into something that allows only their views, and so on... then you must be a hate mongering person also.
Same bullshit analogy.
See, the problem.... everyone is so concerned about hating each other no one wants to work TOGETHER to find common ground and become united... instead we work to stay divided... and you are part of the problem, I am most everyone discussing politics today is.... and that dear, dear Will... is the BIGGEST problem because the old saying is extremely true "United we stand, divided we fall."
And you can defend yourself and Pelosi and Reid and Obama but the truth of the matter is, we are all being driven by HATRED right now and it is destroying this country. This side wants only what they want ... the other side wants only what they want and instead of middle ground and trying to UNDERSTAND the other side... we are told and preached to and have the media and our own politicians and parties telling us to hate the other side.
So don't sit there and act like you are all righteous and the Left is all righteous and only the other side hates. It's fucking bullshit and laughable.