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FIrst and foremost Will, I love how you pick and choose what to reply to. You even snip out the defenses in my debate. lol.... whatever.
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I responded to all of your points. If you'd like me to reiterate, ask away.
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Look that is your view, as someone who has been there and knows some people in the tea party movement and NOT 1 is a bigot, and as a matter of fact there are 2 African Americans that I know personally in it.
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I'm glad no one you know in the Tea Party is a bigot, but that's not really what I'm talking about. It's not as simple as bigotry. Sure, some Tea Partiers are obviously bigoted, but the main point I was making is that the movement's commonality is hatred of something. It's not just racial hatred, though. As I said above, for some of them it's hatred of the poor, for some of them it's hatred of abortion, for some of them it's hatred of the president (and not everyone that hates President Obama feels that way because of his race).
How do your friends feel about President Obama? Do they make Marie Antoinette remarks about him and his family, too?
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I take this personally, because I am defending a GROUP of people ... not a minority that you and the press want to focus on.
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For the hundredth time in this thread, please show me all these people that are telling the racists or haters to leave. Please show me evidence. I'm begging you, prove me wrong.
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You know, I'm done commenting on this.... you want to call them racist and tell me I'm defending bigots.... while you defend people who support Reverend Wright, the New Black Panther Party and Louis Farrakhan... I guess that makes you a reverse racist. BTW which group is worse?
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Tu quoque fallacy, eh?
Why is it that you always center on racial bigotry? I'm not just talking about that, as it's only one part of the Tea Party's problem. Can you speak to the hatred of the poor? Or hatred of a woman's right to choose? Or the xenophobia?
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The vast majority of tea partiers I know aren't so much worried about gay marriage, abortion and race... but they do care about illegal immigration that is bankrupting states, raising crime rates, taking jobs away, they do care about money spent to promote social issues that the PEOPLE should vote on and not be dictated to accept. They want a government responsible and responsive to the people not special interest groups, lobbyists and the wealthy.
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That's quoted from my post that you quoted but somehow cut out....  |
This reads like bullshit. I'm sorry to say it, but it really does. Every Tea Partier, when confronted, pretends their concerns are legitimate (btw, all of the concerns you listed are incorrect. Illegal immigration isn't bankrupting states, crime is low, and the Tea Party works on behalf of special interest groups whether they know it or not, as they're organized and funded by corporate power). I know what the Tea Party likes to think of itself as, but that isn't an accurate reflection of what it really is. As has been pointed out countless times before, there were no Tea Party movements during the Bush administration when Federal spending was out of control, corporate power in Washington was on the steep rise, and the Constitution was being pissed on. The silence on the right was deafening. Not one Tea Party or even vaguely conservative or Republican protest took place. That fact alone removes any and all legitimacy from the movement's supposed goals. In other words, if the Tea Partiers really cared about these things, they'd care about them regardless of who was president. Because that's not the case, the whole movement is revealed as dishonest.
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Oh, you're right how many people have lost everything? What's the unemployment rate? And Marie Antoinette.... errrrr Michelle Obama can pay for 50 rooms in an expensive playground for the rich? Sounds like she truly cares about the people suffering here...
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What the fuck are you talking about? The Obama's aren't rich people. Barack Obama just finished paying off his college loans. Community organizers don't make a lot of money, you know. State senators do alright, and Senators do quite well, but that only accounts for the last few years. The idea that the Obamas are aristocrats is absurd and based in fantasy.
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They are? Then why did I not see any when I went? And I love the way you need to attack me. I HAVE BEEN TO A FEW...... I HAVE SEEN FIRST HAND....
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I welcome you to rebuke the photographic evidence.
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Almost all were white???? Wait a minute, if this is a racist, bigoted group wouldn't ALL of them have been white or were the blacks beaten down???
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What is it with you and race? It's not JUST racial hatred. It's hatred in general that unites the Tea Party. Some Tea Partiers are racist, some aren't. Jesus, how much more clear do I have to make this?
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Oh wait, they're Uncle Toms because they don't fucking agree with you, Farrakhan, Wright, The New Black Panther Party and the far left.
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There's literally no situation in which it's okay for a white person to use the term "Uncle Tom".
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(And yes, if you are going to say I support bigots and hint that I maybe racist because I defend the Tea Party.... then I'll do the same to you with the fact you defend outright or people who do defend the Farrakhans, Wrights, and NBPP... who are every bit as racist and full of hate as you say the Tea Partiers are.
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This shit again? "Hi, I'm Pan and I'm not a racist. No seriously, I'm not a racist... are you calling me a racist?! HOW DARE YOU INSINUATE I'M A RACIST! I SHOULD RUIN YOUR THREAD!!" No one has called you racist ever on TFP. Cut that shit out.