Thanks for the replies. To also get a reply from someone named Jack3d is interesting, especially given the smaller size of this community.
As has been stated, I don't think Jack3d is for me right now. Of the pre-workout supplements available, I gather it's one of the best, but I've been able to get productivity out of my workouts without it up until now, and thus likely won't make any changes.
I am intrigued by creatine. When I last did research about it, less was known, and since I haven't done any research lately, my understanding of it is based heavily on early results and suspicions, and not necessarily proven data. Pursuing discussion about it is new thread material, but if anyone stumbles across this post and has links to good creatine-related resources/information, please share them.
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