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You: I don't care what the bible says
Me: You should care, because religion and the bible is central to this thread and being ignorant of what it says won't help you.
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I'm not ignorant of what it says. I just don't consider what the bible says to be relevant in this issue. If you wish to argue with me on this, prove to me that what the bible says is relevant. I consider this discussion to be highly opinionated.
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You: The bible doesn't mention dinosaurs, but they've existed. Same with homosexuality.
Me: How the same? The bible doesn't mention homosexuals, buy they still existed? In fact the Bible mentions homosexuals a few times - and not in a very positive light - hence the presence of Christianity in this debate.
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I was trying to give an example of how the bible is no authority on everything. It goes back to me not considering what it says relevant in this debate.
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You: It doesn't matter what the bible says, it's here to stay.
Me: Why does the longevity of the bible affect the importance of what it says? Furthermore, wouldn't the fact that the bible is "here to stay" make it matter more and not less?
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I indeed meanth that homosexuality, sin or no sin, exists. There are those who feel they don't deserve to live. I disagree with them. There is no way to 'straighten out' homosexuals.
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You: And these people are every bit as much entitled to happiness as straight people are.
Me: Goodness, I think we finally agree on something. Of course, others might not. If homosexuality is a sin then why should sinners be entitled to happiness?
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Everybody is entitled to happiness. Personal opinion. Let god punish those who have sinned up in heaven. Let the law punish those who have broken the law down here. And let the two stick to their area of expertise. Personal opinion, again.
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You: either you claim these people are inferior to you... in this case you are prejudiced.... or you don't claim they are inferior to you
Me: Two points here.
Firstly, you will have to convince the other side of why thinking someone is inferior is prejudice. Prejudice is an unfair bias against someone. The other side is arguing that it is perfectly fair to think that sinners (i.e. murderers, thieves, rapists, practicing homosexuals) have done something that makes them (morally) inferior.
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Homosexuality is not a crime. Murder, thefth, rape, are. I don't think it's at good thing to consider them all equally wrong. As I said, if homosexuality is a sin - let God punish them up in heaven.
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Secondly, the issue may not be about inferiority and so those are not really the two main options. The issue could well be: homosexuals and heterosexuals are equal but different. And so the other side might argue that this difference should be reflected in the fact that homosexuals cannot get married. Another example: A person with poor eyesight and a person with 20/20 vision are equal but different. One of them should be allowed to become a jet fighter pilot, the other should not.
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Very well. To me, legal marriage has nothing to do with God. And as being homosexual is not against the law, these people should be allowed to do so. I can understand why the church would not allow homosexuals to be married in a church.
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When the only option you lay open to the other side is to "shut up", you can be pretty sure that you have missed something and that it is you who are now verging on the unreasonably intolerant.
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I am not intolerant. My words were. I hadn't thought them through.