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Old 09-25-2009, 08:24 AM   #260 (permalink)
dippin
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth View Post
I cannot accept that this isn't a 'gotcha' moment. Every single Obama supporter here will simply 'disagree' with this policy, or the last policy, or the next policy that mimics what you decried during the last presidents administration, but you will continue to defend and support him regardless.
Personally, I think Obama is Bill Clinton 2, a person with some good reform ideas (and some bad ones) who is hostage to his own image issues and attempts to seem bipartisan. As such, he is not a true reformer in the way I would hope. If I had to grade him, I'd give him a C. In an ideal world I would have a real alternative to the democratic party, which I see as being barely better than certain more rational wings of the republican party.

However, Im sure I come off as a huge supporter. But that is only because of two things:

- He is much better than Bush (no torture, no saber rattling, more diplomatic, less religious)
- There is so much misinformation here about him that we have to spend pages upon pages of threads debunking falsehoods.

I would love to discuss all the problems I see in the Obama healthcare proposal, but instead we have to spend a lot of time debunking the death panels/ insurance for illegal aliens lies. Or the "illegal aliens will be counted in the census for the first time" lies. Or the "illegal aliens will pay in state tuition, but not US citizens." Or any of a number of myths and lies we have to spend pages discussing before we get to the issue itself.

And in this case, the lies are clear, not a matter of being in the eye of the beholder. Which is one thing that I would like to compliment you on. I would rather have more of your posts, given that you don't seem prone to engage in delirious myth making. Unfortunately, it seems that lately a lot of the political discussion around here revolves around the myths propagated by people interested in winning the battle of the news cycles, as opposed to discussing real policy issues.
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