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Old 09-23-2009, 06:53 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Now, I see, ace has become the arbiter of what is and isn't racist because he is A black man! I'm so glad A black man could be here to tell us that it's clearly not racist because he, again, as A black man, laughs at it!
First, it was a mistake for me to get involved in a debate on race. In my experience there has never been a positive outcome.

Second, I agree my ethnicity or race is not relevant. However the fact that I play bass guitar is not relevant either. You jumped all over me pointing out my ethnicity, but not me pointing out i play bass. There is a significance to that, a significance that I am sure will be lost and I am not going to comment on further.

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I'm so glad that your representative sample of ONE can tell us it's not racist, because you, A black man, laugh at it.
Obama doesn't support your position either. Obama went on Letterman and made jokes about the issue and laughed.

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Just for record, just because my girlfriend laughs at "get back in the kitchen!" doesn't mean it's not sexist.
Did you defend Palin? Was stuff like this sexist?



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[/COLOR]Next, you'll be telling me that this:



with the caption "No Easter Egg hunt this year!" isn't racist because... get this.. black people stereotypically like watermelon. Don't you see, it's satire! HA HAH! Look at that silly stereotype!

One of my favorite persons in the world is Melissa Harris-Lacewell. She recently said the following about the witchdoctor/Carter stuff:



It's worth thinking about.
We simply do not share a common definition of racism. I do not confuse distasteful attempts at humor with real racism. This is racism:





My parents went to segregated schools in the south - that is racism.
My father not being allowed to join certain trade unions as a young man. That is racism.
The black unemployment rate compared to the general unemployment rate. That is racism.
The black male incarceration rate. That is racism.
High School graduation rates for blacks. That is racism.
Black teen pregnancy rates. That is racism.
Black children rates of being in poverty. That is racism.
Black life expectancy. That is racism.

Distasteful attempts at humor has no impact on anything or anyone. No views get changed as a result, no jobs are gained or lost, no children are helped or hurt, etc.

However, if instead of people getting bent out of shape over distasteful attempts at humor actually did something current things referenced above would change. There is personal responsibility, and I believe in that strongly, however, I also believe people wanting to improve their life need encouragement, mentoring and counseling. Mostly our nation is race neutral, however the remnants of race based society still linger. For example - the black teen pregnancy rate, the solution is not handing out condoms, the solution is pushing abstinence. For example - the black student dropout rate, the solution is not throwing money at broken school, but giving parents who care the choice of picking a school for their child. For example - black teen unemployment rate, the answer is not raising the minimum wage for unskilled people, but lowering the minimum wage to give unskilled teens an opportunity to get in the door, get training and marketable skills. Republicans have the right prescription for fixing these problems, liberal have not been helpful and in some cases make things worse.

I could go on, but I am conservative in a discussion on race. Nothing I present will be taken seriously. I should have known better from the beginning. Have fun with this unhelpful focus on posters , photoshop pictures, and distasteful attempts at humor.
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