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Originally Posted by Cimarron29414
For the record, I have never endorsed, encouraged, nor agreed to any armed insurrection against the federal government. The only solution to rampant stateism is through the electoral process and the fair election of freedom-loving moderates.
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Wait, so you support the president now? Or by "moderates", do you mean middle right?
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Originally Posted by Cimarron29414
...and another thing: The fact that you people would get there so easily in discussion is frightening. I am involved in community level movements which oppose rampant federalism (Tea Party Movement) and I have never been present when ANY discussion of armed insurrection has occurred.
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You probably have. I've only been at three (San Jose, Vallejo, Morgan Hill), but a common trait is the not so subtle threat of physical force, especially armed. If you're missing it, read the signs.
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Originally Posted by Cimarron29414
It is absolute INSANITY to suggest that any discussion like that is occurring. We are encouraging involvement in local and state government. We are encouraging you contacting your representatives with polite and educated opposition and questions about current legislation. Queries generally surround the cost of the suggested legislation. We may even assemble to have our voices heard. These assemblies attact other groups and we can not stop that from occurring, as their voice is no less valid than ours - their message might be judged less valid, but their voice is not.
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If only that were the case. You assemble because the events are organized by either a corporate owned radio station, a member of the legislative, or the Fox News channel. You assemble for myriad reasons, the only commonality is anger at the right (most of which is entirely unfounded). The few people that do show up for honest libertarian reasons are drowned out by the sea of stupid. I think you think we don't have good reason to believe that the "Obama = Nazi" people are the rule, not the exception, but you being involved in the movement does not give you a monopoly on truth. I've been to these and so have other people. I even took pictures and posted them in another thread.
As for validity, no, that's not how it works. If you're complaints are based on a fundamental misunderstanding of reality, you will be judged to be less valid.
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Originally Posted by Cimarron29414
You people are so far off the spectrum of reality in this thread that it is ridiculous. You have worked SO HARD to marginalize the message in your own minds that any further discussion is moot. I am going to opt of of this thread and perhaps others because I don't even want to be associated with speech such as this. If I could delete my posts out of this thread, as innoculous as they are - I would.
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I don't have to work hard to marginalize someone that will photoshop the first (half) black president to look like an African witch doctor. I don't have to work to marginalize someone that will call someone a communist AND a Nazi. I don't have to work hard to marginalize the fact that this "grass roots" movement has been corporate controlled and directed since day one. I don't have to work hard to marginalize people that will outright lie about the number of people at their protest.