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Originally Posted by Willravel
Humans, as a species, have lived with relatively complex social structures for a very long time. Most modern evolutionary biologists attribute part of our success with the cooperative successes of our ancestors. Bearing that in mind, do you think anarchism could work without recent precedent on a species-wide level? Or do you think it's more just a few individuals living outside of a cooperative society?
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On a species wide level, total anarchy will not happen. I understand that. What I work towards is the right to remove oneself from the system. I.e. Not have to abide by a governmental structure, and also receive no aide or protection from said structure.
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Originally Posted by m0rpheus
If everything did colapse, and you had to fend for yourself, wouldn't you just be at the mercy of a group of people who decided "you know the 10 of us could take over here and rule the place"?
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Kill those ten people. If you can't, you deserve to be controlled.
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Originally Posted by Fat Mike
...if you see somebody taking charge,
you'll be expected to beat them.
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Originally Posted by Grasshopper Green
Do you find it difficult to be an anarchist in Utah?
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Being that we are not only a police state, but also have a church run government...
Yes, I do.
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Originally Posted by little_tippler
Though a loss of structure would force people initially to fend for themselves and survive, the natural progression would always be for some people to become 'leader' figures for others. No one person knows everything, is capable of everything and has every skill. I like learning from others when I can and I also value the power of cooperation. In your view, anarchism seems to be a form of extreme individualism. Every man for himself. So what about family, or friends? Do you help them, or not? And if you do, is that not just another form of social structure? No man is an island and all that. The fact that we share the world with others makes it so that structure forms, though it doesn't necessarily have to have one person telling everyone else what to do.
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I'm not against community values or small social structures. I'm against large governmental structures, justice systems, and monetary greed.
My view of anarchy involves small communities of people living for themselves.
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Originally Posted by Zeraph
My biggest point of confusion comes from what values anarchy really has...because after all, absolute freedom means I could go around killing anyone I wanted.
So say anarchy happens. What's to stop me from getting anything I want through force? And if I do have enough force to keep anyone from stopping me, is that a part of anarchy? Or am I just being a dick?
Say I want to use force for good, but outside of convention. Like I want to go mass murder the high security prisoners. Say I accomplish this feat, what's supposed to happen? Consequence wise.
To sum up, does anarchy really mean true freedom? Where the only bounds to stop unfriendly actions are by force of arms? So whomever has the most force, is in the right.
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Yes, it would require that you, from time to time, have to fight for what you have, but, as I said earlier, I'd rather fight for what I have than have it stripped from me before I had a chance.
As far as consequences go, anarchy would be devoid of established consequences. The consequences would be at the discretion of whomever you affected with your actions.
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Originally Posted by Strange Famous
If there was no state, would not life be "nasty and brutish and short"?
What, in the study of human history and pyschology, shows that if people were completely free that they would not live in a state of "the war of all against all"?
In every situation and every example in all recorded humanity: where the state breaks down - do we not see civil war, gangsterism, robber baron capitalism, violence, and grotesque conditions? Does anarchy not lead us to Mogadishu, rather than the Kibbutz?
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Every one of those things would be involved if anarchy were achieved. Refer to previous answers for how I feel about that.