Originally Posted by dc_dux

In fact, what Obama had said was that if he were to start from scratch, he would support a single payer system...but he also said repeatedly that the employer-based system works for the most part and the intent is to build on that foundation to make universal care more affordable and accesible.

Citing a handful of legislators who want a single payer system doesnt change the fact that the general proposal that Obama offered to Congress and the current bills under consideration are nowhere close to a single payer system.

There is no socialist type plan in the works.

Scare tactics.

Originally Posted by roachboy

if you read the post you quoted, cimarron, you'd have understood that i didn't say *avoid* i said *enact the problem*--and by *enacting the problem* i meant grinding a coherent debate to a halt with a series of "plans" based entirely in some libertarian fantasy world and insisting that they be understood as actual plans, when the fact is they aren't.

this is now officially tiresome.