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Originally Posted by aceventura3
All 1,200 pages?
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I go to all the trouble to explain the bill and that's the best you can come up with for a response?
Most of those pages are repetitive definitions of terms. The meat of the bill is much smaller.
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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq
No it's still scary, that money isn't free, it has to come from somewhere.
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Well, gee, yeah, surprise surprise, infrastructure improvements cost money. Ever since Reagan there's been an attitude that everything government does has to be free or it's an unfair burden on the people. Guess what. If you want to live in the first world, you have to pay for it. No one bitched that the railroads cost too much money back when they were linking the country with them. No one's arguing that the interstate bridge collapse in Minnesota was a good thing because it proves that the gubmint isn't spending our hard-earned money on stupid shit like the country's infrastructure. It's time this nation wake the hell up and face reality. The standard of living we want costs money. If you don't want to spend that kind of money, move to Haiti or Zimbabwe. Much lower tax burden there, though I don't think you'd care for the living conditions.
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I live in a building built in the 50's, and many of the Northeast homes are older. Costs and possibility to retrofit are next to impossible for some of us.
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So then don't retrofit it. Problem solved.
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I don't like the idea "$25 billion, the aggregate amount of loans Department of Energy is authorized to make to automobile manufacturers and component suppliers" is something that should be shouldered by the taxpayers. The industry should support their own R&D.
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And if they do, they'll pass the cost on to consumers, and people in here will still call it a tax. What's the difference. Also note that it is a loan, not a gift, so claiming that they aren't supporting their own R&D is false.