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Old 04-25-2009, 04:10 PM   #11 (permalink)
pan6467
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Originally Posted by pig View Post
First, I think it would be a great idea for people who think the technique isn't torture, to have it inflicted upon themselves, or perhaps better yet someone they care about. Sean Hannity would make a great start...I'd also like to see old Dodgy Heart Cheney have it performed on him, and perhaps the Pretzel Master himself.

As an aside, I've heard you bitch a lot about that 60 minutes interview pan, and I have to say I didn't interpret it the way you have...at all. I'm not a huge Obama fan-boy, but my impression was more along the lines of Obama laughing instead of saying "Fuck me...yeah, it's a tough nut to crack..." I didn't interpret his laughter as callous or uncaring, but more of someone who's in a shitty hard place, with a lot of tough problems to tackle, and a seeming sense of "well shit, where do I start?" I'm certainly no fan of some of his recent decisions, chiefly the wire-tapping and the attempt to quash investigations of the torture issues as they relate to chain of command, and I'm not crazy about a lot of the $$$ being pumped out into the private sector, although fuck all if I have a solution. But I didn't interpret that particular event the same way you did. Is it possible that you're seeing it the way you would like to, because you don't like Obama after the Wright incident?
No, I just think if you are President, you need to present yourself as one. There isn't much uproar over it and maybe I just have a warped belief system (which I freely admit)..... But I also believe had it been Bush, those who are quiet or saying "over reaction" would have been al over Bush claiming proof of his out of touchness. I'd be one of them.

I just think in all honesty, if you sit there and criticize one president for something or action, then you should criticize the president you elected for the same actions. Otherwise, it is solely a partisan outlook that basically states, "I can make excuses for this guy.... no matter what he does, I can justify it or express a dislike but I don't have to rake him over the coals and hold him to the same principles and ideals I hold the other guy to." Partisan politics at its best and one of the major reasons we are where we are right now.
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