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ace, there is no mean-ends justification for torture.
there was no effort to understand even the most basic research on the effects of torture---see the ny times article from this morning i posted above---there was extensive us military research done after the korean war on the fact that torture elicits one kind of information, which is the desire for the torture to stop. that this has been obvious from the 18th century onward is something that is maybe a bit abstruse to expect the parochials from american conservatism to know about---but there's no excuse for not doing the basic legwork on the efficacy of the technique if one is to lend even the slightest credence to the argument you're trying to make.
you haven't a leg to stand on here, ace.
the well-meaning folk trying to accomplish a politically desirable goal so whaddya complaining about defense is a variant of the nuremberg defense. i am not at all sure that you want to continue aligning yourself with it. but hey, look it up for yourself. no problemo.
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a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle
spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear
it make you sick.
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