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Old 02-16-2009, 02:00 PM   #15 (permalink)
AVoiceOfReason
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Originally Posted by djtestudo View Post
1) Anyone calling for Obama's impeachment already (unless it's on a bad SNL sketch) is an idiot.

2) I'm curious as to how any of what you said here has to do with those seven things in the original post and how he couldn't have worked it all into the stimulus plan. We aren't talking about solving the economy in a month here, but things like avoiding pork and opening the process.

He's the guy with the veto and the support of the people, while Congress still has a low approval rating. He could have done something.

1. Yep, such a person is absolutely an idiot--for many reasons, but not least of which would be "who'd want Joe Biden as president, anyway??"

2. You nailed that second point. A stimulus package may or may not have been needed, but had Obama kept his campaign promises on how it was to be handled, what we wound up with would not have looked like this.
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Originally Posted by roachboy View Post
if i had had more time when i posted initially, i would have asked how exactly the logic works that has the right squealing about "broken promises" and other such less than a month into the administration in a context characterized by a significant economic crisis that was brought about at every level through the implementation of the economic and social policies championed by the right itself for the past 8 years in power and for the previous 30 or so in periods that alternated between being in power (nixon, reagan, bush 1) and opposition (clinton)?

i would maybe understand the squealing if the situation left behind by george w bush resembled in some way that which w walked into--a period of relative stability in the context of which the new administration would have the luxury of having some time to work out exactly what directions it thinks best to take.

but this is not the situation, and everyone knows that this is not the situation: so either you have to figure out a way to pretend reality is other than it is--or you have to factor it in.

if you factor it out, it seems to me you render yourself incoherent.
if you factor it in, the question obviously arises of the reasonableness of the standard you're pretending to hold obama to, particularly---again---given the fact that the shitstorm he's walked into is a direct result of conservative ideology implemented.

so i don't see these criticisms as having a rational basis at this point.

i would maybe see them as legit at this point in a different reality---and to the extent that some of these claims seem good as goals to me, i'd expect obama to advance them in the medium term. if he doesn't, then the complaints would seem more reasonable. now they don't.


not that you'd care, but i am concerned about what obama has done so far because i don't see it as going anywhere near far enough fast enough. but that's another matter.
Ok, this isn't about what Bush did or didn't do--I am not a fan of his.

This is about what Obama said and then didn't do.

Focus, man, focus.
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