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Old 02-04-2009, 12:57 PM   #30 (permalink)
dksuddeth
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Location: bedford, tx
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Originally Posted by roachboy View Post
actually, you can. cops do it all the time--it's just a lovely dimension of that brave new world of freedom republican-style.
lets see if we can leave the partisan politics out of this. I put it in general for a reason, so that it wouldn't turn political.

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Originally Posted by roachboy View Post
as for the op---i was wondering who this happened to, and then it turned out to be a second-hand retelling of a story.
from what's here, things took a turn at the point where the hypothetical hero of individual rights asked the cop "why was it necessary to violate my rights" by taking the gun after that hero was told at the outset the rationale for the action.
the video taping just confirmed the obtuseness of the hypothetical hero of individual rights.
to set the story even straighter, it's not illegal to ask questions, nor is it illegal to question officers of the law, so if the direction of the 'conflict' took a turn, it rests squarely on the shoulders of law enforcement not liking being 'questioned' by a mere civilian. Ok, enough of my coloring. the other part is that video hadn't even gotten started yet. all that happened was that the cop saw it pulled out of a pocket and immediately demanded the device. The rationale, being there was a suicide down the street, provides absolutely zero probably cause to apprehend someone working on a vehicle on their own property because he legally was carrying a gun.

Let us hear this again, the property owner was LEGALLY carrying a gun. he committed no crime, was not suspected of committing a crime, nor was there any assertion by the police that he was going to commit a crime. Those three substantiations MUST BE MADE in order for a police officer to detain someone. This is United States Supreme Court precedent people. It is not that hard to follow. your ideas of common sense do not play in to this. If you want them to, write your state representatives and get them to rewrite the constitution and the laws.

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Originally Posted by roachboy View Post
but i have the feeling that stuff's been left out somehow.
you have a more complete account, dk?
i'm just curious.
something feels wrong about your version.
the only things I have left out of it were the police officers initial reasons of why they contacted and disarmed the individual. The officers reason was that they were clearing the scene of an investigation, however, the yellow police tape was ONLY wrapped around the trees and fence of the dead persons front yard 150 feet away from the individual who had his rights violated.
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Originally Posted by ring View Post
dk..just so you know, you really frighten me and I worry about you.
It seems like you lay awake at night thinking up all kinds of scenarios
to get yourself all worked up on an adrenaline rush.

People can become truly physically addicted to this sort of thing,
their brains become so used to all the diferent chemicals that
are dumped into their system in a 'fight or flight' situation,
be it real or imaginary.

You need help.
thank you for your concern. is this your way of telling me that I should quiet down on the whole freedom and rights thing and just do what i'm told from now on?
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Last edited by dksuddeth; 02-04-2009 at 12:59 PM.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
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