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this sort of "debate" gets exasperating. we aren't talking about the same things. ever. i have worked on the history/political economy of capitalism for a very long time and am accustomed to being able to assume some basic knowledge about that in debates---you don't seem to know anything about that history to speak of, preferring instead to oscillate between some retro-metaphysics about the Magic of Markets and occasional snippy asides about preferring to talk to "real people" rather than folk with academic background, whose heads are pointy and live in chess pieces in some interior quadrant of your imagination.
i don't think you know what you are talking about. like at all.
but maybe i expect something entirely different than makes sense to expect.
either way, this isn't interesting to me---it isn't fun, it doesn't get anywhere.
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a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle
spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear
it make you sick.
-kamau brathwaite
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