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Originally Posted by MSD
Rational people don't believe things without evidence, it's that simple. Why should I be afraid of a bunch of rich people meeting at a camp out in the middle of nowhere?
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well, sure. he's mentioned being a new member doesn't allow him posting links.
but out of curiosity wouldn't one be interested to peek at some google returns or wikki pages ?
I know google and wikki aren't the be all end all source of the truth either but it's a start.
as far as rich (and don't forget powerful) people meet in secret, ahh, yes it does tend to raise concerns in my mind. I mean, just last night I was watching Frontline talking about how corporate bankruptcy has turned into a way for corps to dump all their debt by skipping out on the contracts to their workers..pension, medical ins. and wages.
the gist of the show was the evaporation of 'retirement' in America. how about Enron and the current banking situation. all situations where those in power, the few, the rich are deciding in private just how hard they will screw the rank and file to get out of the situation. now you could look at it and say they did the best they could for the rank and file (keep them working with an income) by saving the company (American Airlines in the Frontline show) and that's good. but when the lawyers and CEO's walk away with millions and the workers get massive cuts...seems like a bad deal. I know if you take the millions from the CEO's and lawyers it won't help with billions in losses...but still it seems like a raw deal.
erm...lets see...oh how about the war on terror ? weapons /defense industry I think is pretty obvious is a huge economic engine. but it needs war and conflict to justify itself.
those who own, fund and make money from defense are very close to those in politics and banking. world wide. so if business is lacking and perception for the need of weapons is low wouldn't it make sense for these powerful people to 'invent' more conflict ?
I mean, the PTB don't care about the masses who actually fight the wars. the masses are just cattle to be herded this way and that to sute the needs of the PTB.
I don't know. I'm not a history buff and I fully admit a lot of my reaction is from my gut.
I don't have time to read, cross reference, make charts on dates and places of all the various events in history leading up til modern times...it's not something I'm very good at. I'm just saying that from what I've read, too much of it makes sense to just toss out as crazy paranoia bs.
one thing I would like is something more than "ehh, this is bs" is maybe a little debunking help from someone who IS a history/politics buff.
take this for instance...is this true or total bs ? did WW take campaign moneys in exchange for signing into existence the Fed ?
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"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great
industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of
credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our
activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the
worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments
in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a
government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by
the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."
-Woodrow Wilson, 1916
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it seems like if this thread were in politics people would post reams or text and links backing up their points but since it's in paranoia, people just say...yer nutz and walk away.
it used to be (and I'm shure it still is) that in a major construction project, those in control would estimate a ratio of money spent/lives lost ... like when a bridge is built or something like the Hoover dam....a realistic factor to look at but the point is in mentioning it is that the rank and file of humanity, or life of any kind (environmental damage)is just part of the equasion to an economic engine that mainly benefits the PTB and the masses are just meat for their sausage machine.
another way of looking at the whole thing is, there's one story we all hear on the news and in mainstream history books, a story the rank and file can believe and feel ok about. then there's the hidden truth behind it all that, if the rank and file knew there'd be massive unrest, riots in the streets. but overall we all benefit (including the rank and file) from the machine of society. i.e. mass manufacture of goods, transportation of goods, world wide infrastructure of communications systems and all the stuff humanity uses day in day out. I don't know if all that stuff could happen w/o this massive machine we have.
sorry, I'm rambling. oh, have a happy New Years !
