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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
luciferase, what is it you want to discuss? We can take this in two directions. I'm guessing it would be best to pick one.
1) It is wrong to politicize the diet of others, especially if it is uncalled for or during an inappropriate time, such as during a meal that observes a holiday or other event.
We can discuss how vegans should only address issues of veganism and their view of a meat/dairy/egg-centred diet only when a non-vegan asks about them. We can go further and explore situations where it is appropriate and situations where it is not. Maybe we could go further and highlight the reasons why we care or care not for what vegans say or believe.
2) Veganism isn't necessarily any better than other diets. This is why vegans shouldn't share their ideas on diet with those who aren't vegan. But if they do, they are being self-righteous and should be refuted.
This is a heavier issue, but would be one I'm willing to engage in. The other side of the issue, however, is that there is far more "communication" in support of consuming meat, dairy, and eggs than there is in support of a plant-based diet. So this is a hot topic, indeed.
So, luciferase, what is it you're wishing to discuss here? We're still unclear on your position. We're a bit confused on how you wish to frame this topic. Please come out with some talking points or questions, or I don't see this thread going anywhere constructive.
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No offense Baraka, but I think you are confused. I thought saying "
this is the punchline..." would be pretty obvious. Number 2) is my topic of interest. I did request that we be allowed to roam the topics presented, if that is ok with the powers that be. It's not asking for something unusual, just allow a thread hijack if it occurs, because this is a wide range of related topics IMO and I find that conversations that digress intelligently can be more interesting. So if it goes from
quit pushing your crap on me to
let's chat alternative methods of obtaining meat etc, would that related, but obvious side-topic be ok with you? I'm not trying to put you on the spot, just trying to see if we can bend the rules, but actually I didn't see a specific rule on hijacking topics. I may have missed it, and if I did then let me know.
I do agree that there is more propaganda on eating meat than eating veggies. Then again, Jehovah's witnesses are a pretty small group, yet they are vastly more annoying to me than, say, most catholics I meet. It's all in how you present the information. I take alot more from people that say "here, just try this out, and take what you like and leave the rest", rather than "HEY! DID YOU KNOW THE WORLD IS GOING TO END SOON?!" I was a very rebellious kid, and I still rebel when anyone tries to force me to do or accept anything.
I like your outlook onesnowy, it's very similar to my own but more active in finding alternatives and solutions. Militant vegan is a good way to describe some, for sure LOL.
As I said, I love veggies but when the vast majority of my diet becomes veggies, I get odd cravings and sometimes get nauseous and constantly hungry. I'm borderline hypoglycemic but I don't know enough about how we metabolize meat to know if that matters of not. Fat might be a stronger factor here, or not. I'm really not sure. I have plenty of fat IMO haha, it shouldn't be a factor!
I'll check out Pollan. I found
and it looks interesting, so I'll grab it and see what he says and what I think of it.