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Originally Posted by roachboy
the nra?
i think that organization made an enormous mistake scurrying to the extreme right. now they're stuck there. one consequence of that is arguments that they generate are self-evidently geared toward the extreme right. it didn't have to be that way--they had a choice and could just as easily have remained an organization that advocated in a non-partisan manner for gun owners---but they didn't.
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Supporting the rights of individual to own and use firearms is extreme right? I think the 2nd amendment and the interpretation allowing individuals to own firearms is a part of the fundamental fabric of this nation.
As you say the NRA is "scurrying", what do you call what Obama is doing on the campaign trail?
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Barack Obama claims he is a friend of gun owners. He certainly has convinced the media.
On Thursday, the Los Angeles Times said the NRA's opposition to Obama seemed strange because "Obama does not oppose gun rights. He has made a point of pounding this home to rural audiences, telling them he has no intention of taking their guns away: not their shotguns, not their handguns, not anything."
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Taking aim at Obama's stance on gun control | Philadelphia Inquirer | 10/14/2008
Which is the real Obama, his voting record or his rhetoric?
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Originally Posted by ratbastid
89 posts. STILL nothing saying why vote for McCain that's not "because Obama is X". Doesn't this tell you something?
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No one is going to give you a reason to vote for McCain, because there is no reason other than he is not Obama. That is McCain's case, that is what he has been running on, we know that now and we knew it since he got the nomination. His only hope to win is if Obama makes a mistake or if people wake up and see Obama for what he is.
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Originally Posted by Poppinjay
Because that's all that matters. In good times, you can shoot people who try to take your stuff. In bad times, you can shoot people and take their stuff.
I agree strongly with RB, it was a HUGE mistake for the NRA to jerk right. I was taught gun safety by the NRA as a kid, then comes the '90's and all of a sudden they're freaks.
The NRA used the same argument in '92. Are all your guns gone? Did Clinton take them away?
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Again, look at actual voting records or what people did in positions of authority. Bill Clinton was strongly opposed by the NRA and was not allowed to do what he wanted in this area. Clinton's obsession with gun control is partly to blame for the Waco mess. The matter could have been easily handled without a show-down.
Gun bans in areas that had them in the US did not result in less crime, in many cases violent crime increased. No lawful person wants to shoot people.
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Originally Posted by Derwood
I hate guns, so I guess this should make me vote for Obama
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Yes. But do you also hate the US Constitution? Do you care about standing up for the rights of others even when you do not agree with them or what they do? What are you willing to do to those who use guns in criminal activities?