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Old 06-08-2003, 05:54 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: fake patriotism "a rant"

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I hate the masses.
Me too, but from what my therapist has told me, that can be a root for a lot of social problems.

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I hate how we suddenly become patriotic in the last few years. don't get me wrong I am not against patriotism but I am against following the masses in showing patriotism.
Despising something because "the masses" do so is also not generally a good idea by itself. As for why people become patriotic in supposed times of turmoil, it is a natural and common thing to do so. People generally want to believe that they are in the right in every situation, and will justify it by any means.

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an honest answer is no. the true patriot act would still send even if he or she hated the war.
At least in Minnesota, there have been several "support our troops" rallies which were composed of just as many anti-war as pro-war people, all who had relatives or friends in the service. Are they not really patriotic because they have family in the service?

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they are still our people dammit. most of the military did not sign up to kill and die.
Actually, yes, they did sign up for it. I'm not sure how you can try to justify this.

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most did not know that being in the military means indentured servitude (a slave). I know that sounds stupid but its true.
It's true that it sounds stupid.

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would you sign up if someone told you that most of your right you were born will be taken away and that you have a very good chance that you are going to die violently and painfully. Oh and your pay is sh!t. No I didn’t think so.
Just because you think this, does not make it so. As for "a very good chance that you are goign to die violently and painfully", 200 deaths out of several thousand troops is not "a very good chance".

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I hate the bumper sticker remember NYFD or NYPD. what about the people in the friggen planes who died. what about the people in the friggen pentagon who died.
NYFD/NYPD who died in 9/11 did so while saving lives. That makes them heroes and worthy of a bumper-sticker. The passengers of the PA flight that was downed are also viewed as heroes.

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I hate people who were anti patriotic before 9/11 but after 9/11 they were the first to start waving the flag. wtf. I hate the people who have American flag bumper sticker on their cars. these people do nothing but put them there and sit back and congratulate themselves on how patriotic they are. I hate that people think "that is all there is to being patriotic".
That's an unhealthy amount of hate.

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its not. how you show patriotism is by doing something for your country. vote dammit. even if only local elections. at least there your vote counts. we all hate jury duty but come on that patriotic. if your too lazy to do these things then help out your fellow man. help the children or the elderly who some are true patriots in that they fought for your ass. even the ones who did not fight they still deserve your help. help the sick. understand and help the poor but don’t let them leach off you. doing your taxes does not count as a patriotic act. you are forced by law to do that. f@ck, do something no one is forcing you to do. help out your friggen country and its citizens.
Out of this list of wonderful things, which do you do on a regular basis?

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if the Middle East ever united they would rival the united states for power and wealth.
Uhhh, yeah. We waged war with Iraq because we are afraid of them coming together and competing with us...

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for an example he was against a police state policy as a governor yet as a president he is all for it. WTF
You're right, but don't ever let the Gestapo hear you say that.

Well shit, I ran out of time to respond to the rest. I'll do so later. In general, I suggest toning down teh hate. Disagreeing with something is fine, but all that hate has unhealthy side-effects, I know first-hand. People are generally alright as long as their interests have been met. It's not something to be "hated", just understood and dealt with.
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