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Originally Posted by dc_dux
If you only want to define "success or progress" in military terms, you are doing exactly what Bush is doing....and you can claim some marginal level of progress or success.
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Well I claim no likeness with President Bush. Militarily, I say Iraq has been a success. The security issue has increased dramatically since May 2007.
Now, if you want to talk about the Iraq government? OK, you're right. It's be an utter failure. There is fairly wide corruption and discord among the Iraqi law makers. However, (and I'm not sure who to blame here) too many people expected a quick turnover and governmental success. This expectation was bound for failure. I agree the Bush administration expected this, and was completely wrong. However, governments need time, and I don't believe all hope is lost on the establishment of a sovereign government in Iraq. I just don't think the timeframe set is realistic at all.
So I guess the bottom line is, we were speaking about two different things. Hope that draws my opinion a little better.