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Ummmm.... call it what you will,
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I did.
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I see a great many similarities between the '76 election and this one.
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So?
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Believing we will get financially stable regardless of the president ignores all signs it won't.
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Strawman. I never said we'd become financially stable. We'll likely get started to financial stability under Obama but we may not reach it for decades. We will not get started on the road to financial stability under McCain, who will continue the war regardless.
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Don't like it I don't care.
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That's a good summarization of your attitude.
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I have yet to hear you reason against it. All you can do is throw phrases, cut and paste what you want and not truly give an opposing view. You just attack mine.
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Within 2 years the war will still be going? Under a Democratic president and Democratic Senate? That's ludachris. The only reason that the Dems can't do anything now is the veto power of Bush. Ask DC_Dux. As such, there's strong
evidence that a Democratic Executive and Legislative can withdraw the troops quickly.
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Not really. But I'll take Mccain's over Obama's.
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The why did you essentially say they would, only with intentions being different? Were you just flaming?
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I find comfort in that no one party will have a blank check and hopefully instead of gridlock we'll see compromises made for the betterment of the country. I'd rather have a McCain look totally inefficient and unable to compromise than Obama run this country further down because he has a blank check. Also helps in future elections, the McCain scenario.
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Presenting compromise as automatically being what's best for everyone is fallacious at the very least. The betterment of the country cannot and will not happen under McCain. The furthering of corporate interests will be the only real benefit, and that's not something that will trickle down.
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Really Will? Where's the comments on my comparing the '76 election to this one?
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My response: "You basically predicted a future that supports your case without giving your reasoning."
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I don't see those. I see you saying "well your are predicting and guessing and making your choice that way????? WTF? And I am supposed to elect a president how? Especially based on what we know of either man. OOOOO because Obama is the messiah, the saviour I am to just blindly vote for he man.
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You're not making reasonable predictions. You're saying "everything that Obama is promising and everything that his precedent has demonstrated is wrong and he will fail as a president. What then?" without giving one tiny ounce of evidence. Have you bothered to compare Obama to Carter? Have you compared their voting records? Have you compared their careers before serving in public office? Of course not, because that would reveal the gaping hold in your case.
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OOOOO because he is a great man, I am supposed to ignore a 20 yr association with Rev. Wright. (And I can't talk about it because that is racist.)
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Again with that? "Hi everybody, I'm pan and I walk the line of being racist so that when people call me on it I can become a maryter! Whoa is me! I am victimized by those I bait into sorta calling me possibly racist!"
The 20 year association with Reverand Wright.... you mean like Rod Parsley, a racist (against Muslims and Arabs) minister who happens to be McCain's spiritual guide? The one who has called on eradicating a "false religion" by "war"? Reverand Wright has not once endorsed violence, despite his somewhat extremist views. Parsley, on the other hand has called on Christians to wage war against Islam.
[QUOTE=pan6467]But most importantly Will, you totally ignored this:[/QUOPTE]
I have the rationality and objectivity to say that I will make the decision after it's happened, taking all facts into account instead of trying to guess 4 years before it happens. If Obama fails, it may be because of a million and one reasons we don't know about now and it would be downright stupid to pretend that we would know what would cause the failure of his presidency. Projecting bias onto me is meaningless, though.
"Someday, if Obama's presidency fails, you're not going to blame him". I'll tell you what, meet me here in 4 years and I'll continue to present reasonable and verifiable information and my opinions based on that information while you're still bemoaning someone almost calling you a racist.
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I vote for the man I think will work best for my country the next 4 years. McCain, for all his faults will be that man.... ANYONE that ran would be better than Obama.
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If you think continuing the Iraq war is good for the US, you have no understanding of economics or morality.