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Originally Posted by willravel
What I'm saying is that the words which were crafted by some of our nation's great leaders, passed by both the House and Senate, and then passed the president's desk are perfectly clear.
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yes they are, WE have the right to arms.
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Originally Posted by willravel
Are you claiming that somehow they—some of our nation's great leaders, members of both the House and Senate—were all wrong and that some federalists' and anti-federalists' writings, which have not been verified to have even been authored by said federalists and anti-federalists, override the actual wording of the document? That's just silly.
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whats silly is you not clearly understanding that the 'bill of rights' applies to individuals.....every amendment applies to the rights of individuals. to believe that the 2nd applies to a government regulated force of soldiers while the other 9 apply to individuals is silly.
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Originally Posted by willravel
Your impression of the Second would look like this:
"The right for the people to bear arms, being necessary for a free state, shall not be infringed."
That's not how it reads. Members of a well organized militia are guaranteed a right to bear arms under the Second Amendment.
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that is not what it reads and you know this. it says 'the right of the people, not 'the right of a well regulated militia'. also, when this amendment was written, WE (that means 'the people', you AND I, were the militia. We are STILL the militia. We are the militia because YOU and I are the soveriegn of the state. WE are necessary for the security of a free state, therefore OUR right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.