Thread: Guns at work
View Single Post
Old 04-16-2008, 02:15 PM   #23 (permalink)
moot1337
Insane
 
moot1337's Avatar
 
Location: Learning to Fly...
Quote:
Originally Posted by willravel
I mean the people who take forever to get to their gun. If it's not handy, it makes little sense.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day! Bravo, good sir!

As far as the original post:

Quote:
Originally Posted by jewels
This scares the hell out of me. There are lots of psychos and sickos in this transient state. I think we're going to see much more violence than we already do.
The same type of thing was said when states were considering the first concealed weapon permit bills, by nearly everyone in law enforcement. They said that 4-way intersections were going to turn deadly because people don't know how to control their anger, and if you're angry, shit, why not shoot someone?!

The thing is, in the years that have passed since CCW bills and other such legislation was passed, that hasn't happened. People applying for a CCW are put against a more strict and thorough background check than pretty much any other but those for law enforcement, including the ones to buy weapons. People who go through all this trouble in the legal system are unlikely to commit those crimes that would screw their record up, and have their right to arms revoked permanently. Those that don't care about having their rights taken via legal action are probably already carrying anyway. There is also a significant investigation into mental health history with CCW permit application, one more vigorous than that imposed on the buyers of firearms.

This is also not really in light of the bill just signed into law: those who have a CCW permit (who are the only ones affected by the legislation anyway) are already allowed to carry in their cars, and already (likely) allowed to lock their weapons in their cars if they're on public parking, or spaces without posted policies. The legislation is aiming to remove restrictions put on private property parking by the employers if the person utilizing it is an employee. After all, the employers are allowed to restrict carrying weapons inside their buildings by employees, so if one were to carry until that point, where would the weapon be stowed in the meantime? You could, I would assume, just park your car on the street and not run the risk of getting fired for violating company policy, but it's really just tiptoeing around the issue. The real point of this law is that, before it, employers could keep licensed CCW holders from carrying inside their vehicles en route to work by making storage while at work inconvenient. After the law, employers are no longer allowed to infringe on the RTKABA via inconvenience...

Quote:
Originally Posted by jewels
But I didn't address this type of scenario:

I read this article and decide to go buy a gun. It's in the glovebox. Some guy nearly hits me and then cuts me off on the way to work. I get a call from my kid's school that she's been suspended and my boss says to pack things up, sorry no severance. On the drive home, that same SOB appears and nearly hits me again. Okay ... you get the point.

Average Jo(e) has a real shit day. Something happens and s/he loses control momentarily. If that person chose to begin carrying a gun when this law enabled them to carry, no harm would have come to anyone. But when that person crosses that line of sanity for a brief moment, I would not want to be around that person in possession of a firearm.
Again, this law only applies to those already carrying concealed weapons within the law, specifically those who are licensed to do so by the state. You, not being a CCW holder, and not having received the training to become such, are exempt. It's still illegal for you to carry in your car, regardless.

Now to clear up another small misconception:
Quote:
Originally Posted by jewels
Isn't that making a lot of assumptions? You have your right to bear. I choose not to. I deserve to die because I made this choice?

Besides, what assurance is there that I wouldn't have already been shot?
No, it's not that you deserve to die. Nobody really does - some people do as an unintended consequence of actions beyond their control, many more do for many other reasons. It happens.

The thing is, the police do NOT have the responsibility to protect you. It's a falsity partially reinforced by their motto, To Protect and Serve. There is no law stating that the police MUST protect a person in danger - it would require too much manpower to be physically possible and sustainable all the time. You can't assign police officers to protect every single individual, simply for the fact that it would require more police than citizens...

Add into this the amount of response time if the officers do decide to protect you (and there is a decision made by someone, somewhere, each time), and many people come to the conclusion that the responsibility for the safety of oneself can only lie with oneself.

It's not that you deserve to die in the above scenario. Far from it. However, should you be carrying a concealed weapon, you'd at least have the ability to influence whether you died or not, and that's what carrying is all about. People who carry are also trained to be in a constant state of readiness for action, and are more likely to respond to a threat quickly than someone who is unaware of their surroundings. It's a good idea to be in a state of awareness and readiness all the time, but having a hunk of potentially lethal metal strapped just beneath your kidney sure does promote it.
__________________
And that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be
banana-shaped.

This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedevere. Explain again
how sheeps' bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.

Oh, certainly, sir.
moot1337 is offline  
 

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360