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Originally Posted by dc_dux
I am still waiting for you or seaver to cite the law the judge broke... or on what legal basis you would sue.
I am not an attorney, but if I were, I would advise you to grown up and stop whining.
I would also advise you that if you believe in judging others based on the content of their character, rather than the color of their skin.....learn more about the person's character than what you see (with no context) in a one-minute video.
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If it were a white judge and he had done this would you support a black man suing him? YES OR NO.... no bullshit excuses, no "depends" given what we know happened and instead of the judge being black he was white... and now a black man is suing.... Would you support or find merit in that lawsuit?
Ummmmm did the judge base his speech on people's skin color (think hard who did he kick out and who did he keep in)? YES OR NO.
Sooooo who's judging by skin color and whom is judging by character?
Here's a clue: I'm judging by the actions of the judge.... HE judged by skin color.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
but i really don't see the "double standard" in this.
that's one of the main arguments that's run through the thread--you maintain it is, others disagree, you ignore the criticisms and act as though the characterization makes sense.
i don't think it does make sense and the post i put up a few days ago about the different weights attached to "african-american" and "white" in the states was *about* this characterization and it's logic.
that this judge cleared the court of all but african-americans ENACTS the particular ways in which the category african-american (or a substitute) functions culturally in the states.
that's it.
"white" (or a substitute) simply doesn't have the same range of possible uses.
its not a double standard--it's a use of language that reflects differing historical experiences in the states.
you might not like it--hell, who really likes the fact that the present is shaped by the past when that past is as ugly as that of the history of racism in america?---but that doesn't change what this is.
you'd prefer, it seems, to see in the rejection of your characterization of this as an example of a double standard something more or other than what it is--that i don't understand, but i suppose it's your prerogative--you seem to think, though, that rejecting your characterization is a defense of double-standards or "division" or "hatred" of "negativity" or whatever--and that makes no sense to me.
you just picked a bad example: it's a mistake.
everyone does something similar at one point or another.
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So if a white judge had done this, it would have been ok with you?
YES OR NO.
I don't want any more excuses, any more bullshit, I want a simple yes or no.
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Originally Posted by powerclown
Not in my opinion. I never owned a slave, or had anything to do with perpetuating slavery. I approach racial issues under the asumption that blacks are equal to whites are equal to asians are equal to mexicans are equal to tongans and even the french: nobody is "owed" anything.
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We are all human and we are all equal under the law. If there are problems, bring them out, let's fight them together instead of allowing it.
To allow one to do a wrong and then complain that someone else did the exact same thing but wasn't of he right race/background is just as wrong as allowing the action the first time.
To excuse someone for a wrong because someone in the past of the same culture was wronged..... IS WRONG.
If a Wiccan Judge in Salem, Massachusetts had done this would it have been ok?
Remember, the they tried and burned witches in Salem, so they went after witches.
Neo-Pagans and Wiccans have their own cultures and beliefs and some talk in their circles. So it could be just a cultural thing. Is that ok?
I'm Wiccan/Pagan. I think if it's ok for this black judge to do this because of the history of black people.... then it has to be ok for my people to do this.
Fuck right or wrong .... I was wronged by those people in Salem. They tried and burned my ancestors.
What's that you say.... I'm going to far now. But my people.... but my heritage..... but my beliefs and values and culture....
I see doesn't matter to you. Ok. But if I were black it would?
Do you not see the hypocrisy you support?????????