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Old 04-07-2008, 10:59 AM   #207 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by pan6467
I think it is very prejudicial. Racist... the action did separate a race and if this was a speech to "shape up these men", it could have been done elsewhere or to all races, I see this as race based discrimination so an argument on whether the judge was being racist here is debatable. Hateful is a strong word and should not have been used. You make a very good point here.



If you preach prejudice and blame others for your problems or lack of success it is usually in a very hateful way.

This would be a good point in which to cover, if we were truly having a discussion on how to better relations. We would have to achieve a common definition of what promotes hatred.



I have stated had he done this outside his role as a judge and outside of the courthouse, it would be a civilian talking and expressing his opinion and advice to help those he wanted to help. I would have no problem with that whatsoever.

But in a courtroom, while in session or not, in the role of judge, this was prejudicial, in the very arena we should not be having any separation between groups of people.



But then are you saying we should look at the courts as "parents" and the defendants as "children". I know it' just an analogy.... but it's a stretch. Government is not our parent, government is there to protect us and to serve us in various ways without discrimination, without separation.

It took how long to get the government to look at the black man equally and now, now, you feel it is ok for an agent of the court to separate them.

It truly makes no sense to me.

Again, I have no problem if he goes into the community and works and speaks out to help those in that community with positive messages.... I would heavily applaud the man.

But in the setting it was held in.... I have serious issues with.



I am quick with the word hate, I am very passionate about 5 issues in politics... trying to get America back to recognizing its greatness and the wonderment of our freedoms not have them taken away because select groups find problems with those freedoms (rights), race relations, illegal immigration, education, finding economic stability and ways to distribute prosperity more fairly. But I also realize why I am not a politician. I find, especially in this medium but in all aspects of my life to some degree, I am easily flustered in trying to get across my point. My passion for these

Perhaps, this judge has done great things to help race relations, this was not one. It is true, I should not base my judgment on this man for one negative action he made.



They have millions of followers that believe what they sell. Again, it is easier to blame the white man and the government for your failures than it is to work and get out of the negative area in which you live.




I disagree here. Just because one is not racist nor discriminatory, does not mean that they are blind. There are problems here and we do need to work on finding positive solutions. It just seems that many who believe they have solutions end up taking it to far the other way and becoming hypocritical, which leads to more problems and not solutions.




This is a very complex issue.... on one hand we have is this an abuse of power, but then the deeper issue becomes the racial underbelly, that people don't want to talk about. How can you allow one judge of one background to do this, while condemning and saying a judge of a different background can't nor should be allowed to do this.

I have problems with both, because as shown here they tend to overlap.

Any judge doing this would have been wrong on the superficial level.

The double standard that says this judge can but others can't is wrong on a different underbelly level.


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Again, if you find it ok for a judge to separate groups in a court room and do this, I can understand. I don't agree with it but I can truly comprehend the argument.

But when one says.... this judge can do that and I'll praise him.... that a white judge can't and I'll call him a racist and demand his job.

Do you see the hypocrisy?



Towards Malcolm's end, he was changing very much. I provided quotes that demonstrated this above.





http://www.malcolm-x.org/quotes.htm
pan, do you suspect, at all, that the Bush admin. risked gutting the Voting Rights Enforcement section of the Civil Rights Enforcement Division of the DOJ, and actually reversing what it did, investigate and prosecute those who intended to make it more difficult for minorities to vote "as easily as everybody else can", to what it does now, investigate and prosecute minorities on contrived "vote fraud charges", because of mindsets like.....yours?

I do!
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