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I get the gist of what his point is but to say more than once "God Damn America" in your sermon to me is unacceptable. I firmly believe if you bring that negativity into a church, which is supposed to give hope (that's a major selling point on religion HOPE), you do this over time (which Wright seems to have done) you have very affectively taken hope and optimism out of the church and sold nothing but your own propagandized message. Hence militants coming from denominations and sects of "peaceful religions".

The Robertson, Falwell, Wright, Sharpton, Farrakhan types are just as successful at this.



I'm sure Robertson/Falwell can show that they have helped find solutions for social problems also. Doesn't make their messages any more positive or right, does it?

It has a lot to do with it, in this case. If you are going to talk about the oppression of the black man, how wronged you have been and yadda yadda yadda..... then why are you living in a $1.6 million home on a golf course in a gated, predominantly white neighborhood? I thought the rich white man is holding the black man down.... so why are you living amongst them?

Does Wright affect the way many vote? That's power isn't it?

If I stand up in a church and tell my people how nothing is their fault, it's the government's, it's the white man's, it's everyone's fault but theirs. They will listen to what I say because no one likes to have to accept responsibility for choices that adversely affected them.

"You dropped out, you failed in life because you put a crack pipe to your lips.... the US of KKK A did that. The government did that not you." Be surprised how many addict use this as their excuse.

Why not preach hope, self responsibility and help build self esteem?

Meanwhile it's affecting suburbia just as badly, but that's ok, the whites deserve it.

"We live in communities where our men impregnate our women and disappear, refusing to take care of the families they have created. Not your fault.... it's the government's, they propagate this among our communities, they did this to us."

"The government planted AIDS in the black man's community." Really? Hmmmm than why do whites have it? If I as a pastor talked about how maybe this should be a sign of all our failings and that perhaps it shows we need to get back to family or at the very least promote safe sex..... that puts the problem on the person's behavior. can't do that.... sooooo we'll blame the government.

And so on.


So racist hatred is ok in some cases and can be forgiven because those people have a right to be and who is allowed to be. But should you complain about the racist messages of those we have ok'd we will tell you how you don't understand, how ignorant you are, how racist you are.

However, if we don't like the message we'll put pressure on and force them to lose their jobs, maybe even get government involved and infringe on his free speech.

In context Imus said a very poor joke that maybe back 30 years ago may have gotten a laugh.

In context, Wright used his pulpit to continue hateful, racist, anti-governmental, anti-semitic conspiratorial messages.

How is his disagreeing with the hate, racist messages from Wright denying his own existence?

No, first scenario states he believed the hate. Second scenario says he doesn't but used the church to further his own political and social gains.

I do think 2 and 3 of my scenarios are more closely attached if not the same


Where did I mention Uncle Tom? Or are you are now admitting that successful black men and women that are conservatives are "Uncle Toms" to you?

Then why pick a church that promotes racism and hatred? Because Wright is among the powerful elite in Chicago.

I'd believe that.....but naming the guy his "spiritual mentor", having dinners at his home, godfather of his children, and having him on his election committee are not things I would do with someone I didn't agree with.

Maybe my definition of spiritual leader is different.

Same as #2.

What combination?

I honestly think he may be.

No, but I am sure there are many Hilary supporters that would have voted for the Dem. nominee but because of all this, find they can't.

I supported Edwards..... I went to Hilary.... I can say I would have gone to Obama... but then Billy Cunningham had his job threatened because he said "Barack Hussein Obama" and people demanded his job. From there I looked at things I dismissed, the lapel flag pins, the refusing to put the hand on the heart, then I looked at what Wright was saying..... and now, now there is no way in Hell. I believe him to be the worst candidate on numerous issues, but this closes the door.

I am wrong a lot, I run on my emotions, read and believe what I CHOOSE to and make my own decisions.

I maybe wrong here and now and if elected, for our future I hope I am very wrong about the man and I will happily admit such.

So he only lost my vote..... but wait..... how many Hilary supporters is he disenfranchising by having his people tell her to quit.

But he has "Charisma and talks about change and has street cred, he's no Uncle Tom." so he doesn't really need any of Hilary's supporters come Nov.

So what if 20% of her supporters decide for various reasons decide to vote for McCain?

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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"