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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
I 'open fire' when/if they come for me, my family, or friends and neighbors. I'll consider widening that range of people when I can see more people doing the same.
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If fellow revolutionists follow the same line of thought, then we'll just have isolated incidents where the police overpower one person in a house at a time. So either you have to assume the responsibility of not just defending your family, friends and local n neighbors, but all of your countrymen... or the revolution simply cannot and will not happen until they infringe on a very small neighborhood.
In 2005, when hurricane Katrina hit the SouthEast, gun confiscation by the government was widespread. Did you or any other Second Amendment proponent do anything about it? Did anyone, except for some journalists and bloggers? Of course not. So when "they" came for people's guns, nothing happened. Even leaving gun confiscation out for a minute, it was back in August of 2006 when Bush proposed extending Guantanamo practices of indefinite detention and summary trial by military commissions to include American citizens. AMERICAN CITIZENS! In response, revolutionaries stormed military bases across the nation.... oh wait nothing happened.
The Second Amendment, as a function of governmental control, only works when the gun owners are able to stand up to the government with their guns and force them to do the will of the people. That's simply not the case, therefore defending the Second Amendment on the basis that without it gun owners wouldn't be able to keep the government in check is completely incorrect.
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
The problem is that we've been conditioned for 80 years to trust and rely on the government, that it's taking along time to show that people need to distrust the government. Hell, look at yourself will. You still believe that there are things that only the government can do, or must do, to ensure public safety, or your safety. This is a mindset that a free people must be able to step away from, but until a majority can do that, we'll still be faced with the soccer moms/dads who will balk at anything other than sanctioned government protection.
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DK, you know I don't trust the government. I'd like to see the entire Bush Administration behind bars. I'd like nothing more than to completely reorganize half of all the federal organizations from the FBI to FEMA.
We just happen to disagree on guns. In other words, there but for said disagreements go I.