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Originally Posted by pan6467
Well, work to change the law. People LEGALLY coming here don't seem to have issues waiting and having the necessary shots, passports, medical records to attain a legal status here.
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I've never seen any evidence linking illegal immigrants to spreading disease any more than legal immigrants. So, based on that, it doesn't seem a good reason to have a law about immigration.
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Originally Posted by pan6467
First, just because you choose to ignore a law does not make it less of a law. But then instead of defending your position positively, you need to continue to bring in racist undertones and make implications and underhanded accusations to "win" support and your arguments.
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I've never called you a racist. I've said quite the opposite. Stop with the strawman.
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Originally Posted by pan6467
So instead of showing respect to my views, now they are some such nonsense and thus you have deemed to just label and ignore them.
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What views? All I've gotten so far is "ILLEGAL = ILLEGAL" and "they bring diseases". Is that your whole case?
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Originally Posted by pan6467
So instead of helping these people to build their own countries, better their own nations and develop themselves, we can just let them come in and live a better life. Why not tell these people to try building a better country where they are? Build pride in themselves as they create wealth in their own countries. No, just simpler and easier to let them come here.
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Not simpler, necessary. We need them. Without them, people would likely starve due to the sudden sharp price increase of food. I asked a good friend of mine how much an apple would cost without undocumented pickers. He said it would probably hover somewhere around $8-$12. My produce bill in a month would go from about $120 to about $1400.
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Originally Posted by pan6467
Well, first, WE are the government so ALL this is OUR fault.
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70% of the US want's our troops out of Iraq and has wanted that for months (years?). We elect people, we're not in charge.
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Originally Posted by pan6467
I see so those who could not buy homes under normal circumstances (which obviously was a lot of hard working families) are "idiots" (your words not mine) for wanting a home and thus taking the only loan available to them an ARM.
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You can want a home all you want, but if you can't afford one you'd be an idiot to buy one. It's really that simple.
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Those who saw a way of making money and giving people a chance to maybe own a piece of the American dream so decided to support and give out ARMs are "idiots".
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It had nothing to do with the American dream. It was about making a lot of money now and hoping that the massive problems with the plan would work themselves out later. They didn't.
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Originally Posted by pan6467
Meanwhile, people who come here ILLEGALLY and you give them a slightly above slave labor classed job and allow them to live in squalor (but it's a better than where they came from squalor), those are great decent people and you have a heart of gold and are the working man's hero......
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I don't see Honduran immigrants that make $12k a year buying $125k homes with a variable interest rate.
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Originally Posted by pan6467
WOW Will, and people call me a racist.
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Originally Posted by pan6467
No offense. No respect. No desire to change. You keep your negativity and I'll look for answers from others, who actually want to better people and not play some weird games where they will call hard working LEGAL citizens "idiots" for trying to hold onto their dream... while they praise those they can get here ILLEGALLY so those immigrants can work slightly above slave labor.
YOUR words above show me what kind of person you truly are there Will. Good day.
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The people who were "victimized" by the sub prime crisis didn't make enough money to afford the house they were buying.
I make about $80k a year and have about the same in the bank. If I went out and bought 3 brand new Porsches, a couple houses, and a solid gold swimming pool wouldn't you think I was an idiot? Or would you admire me for living the American dream? Give me a break.
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Originally Posted by Ustwo
Mmmmm I wonder how this type of thinking translates to the death penalty. You can argue effectiveness but I'm sure 'Don't do it you'll get the chair!' has deterred at least one person from becoming a murderer..
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Statistically, the death penalty doesn't deter, but that's only one of a hundred reasons that it doesn't work.