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Old 03-10-2008, 09:19 PM   #29 (permalink)
pan6467
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Originally Posted by willravel
I answered your non-question. Why were you called racist?
ILLEGAL = ILLEGAL.

I don't make the laws, the government does. If people have to do certain things to gain employment, benefits, etc to be considered "legally here" then those are the laws. People who just cross the border in the dead of the night, pack into semi trailers to sneak across, and so on and refuse to do what was needed to be done to be LEGAL are here ILLEGALLY.

That means their first act in this country was to break a law. They are criminals. I do not care that they come here seeking better lives. If they wanted to come here that badly they could have done it LEGALLY.

If I go 100 in a 25, I am ILLEGALLY driving. I am committing a crime. I know I am committing a crime. There are punishments and consequences to my actions and I must face them and take responsibility for my ILLEGAL actions.

I answered it before I answered it now........ Will if you want to continue this OPEN A NEW/OLD THREAD. This is not what this thread is about but you refuse to let it go.

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Originally Posted by dc_dux
Responded to a post of false points or half truths by characterizing it as nonsense is not labeling anyone.

And I'm tired of typing the same damn thing.
I was agreeing with you DC.

But, some do not do that, that is my point. Some instead of looking for weakness in an opposing view and arguing on that.... begin taking easy routes and start labeling. That is the point.

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Originally Posted by aceventura3
Immigration status is not a "race". I think some use the term "race" to quickly try to dismiss a point worthy of discussion rather than engaging in a meaningful exchange. There are many other labels used in a similar fashion, and I admit that I have done it to others saying something like "...is just a Bush hater..." It does get frustrating but when we get beyond those simplistic labels, occasionally there is some meaningful exchanges.

I have read a lot of what you have written Pan, and we disagree on most issues, but I don't perceive you to be a racist at all.
Yes, plus you and I have had some truly great meaningful exchanges (at least in my eyes we have.... and I have utmost respect for that and you Ace ).

It is easier to label, promote hatred and destroy any chance of compromise or learning from each other, than it is to open your mind, look at what is being said, state the differences and try to find compromise or at the very least offer insight as to why you believe what you believe.
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