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Originally posted by BBtB
Actully I have seen secular evidence for the existance of Abraham. He is ingenerally considered to have been a real person who did exist. Same for Moses. Adam less so. Jesus WAS a real person. As was Muhammad as was Siddhartha Gautama. I find it funny people who get to the point of hating religion so much they start to deny that the prophets that started it didn't really exist. I mean so far we have yet to deny Muhammad or Siddhartha Gautama but I have no doubts that in 1000 years there will be people with refer to Muhammad as a fictional charector just because they dislike the religion.
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For the record... I didn't deny the existance of Jesus, Muhammad or Siddhartha. They were real men. Prophets if you will.
I didn't bring up either Muhammed or Budda as I didn't have a comment on them. As for Jesus my point was clear. I think his cult would have died out if not for Paul and his followers. Jesus was a seed and Paul was the farmer.
My arguement against characters leads more to Moses, Abraham and Adam. There may be some tenuous evidence of their existance (well except for Adam) but I find it too tenuous to consider valid.
The bible is too flawed a text to treat as a history. There have been way too many revisions and rewrites (and each and every one with a different bias or agenda) to trust it as a history.
If there was someone like Abraham then I would consider him in the top five most influential people to be certain. At this stage I prefer to put Abraham on the level of Adam. A very powerful character in the bible narrative.