Jinn

Thank you Shani. I was about to explain why what he said was true, if you don't live in a Utopian society where freedom comes at no cost.

But it seems he clearly explained it in the context he used it in. It's amazing how much people love to take quotes out of context.

I'm not a fan of Guiliani, but even I wouldn't stop to misquoting him for the purpose of character assassination.

Perhaps "civil society" would be better used in place of "freedom," but in his context, the meaning is nonetheless appropriate.

To those who disagree with his speech above, now that you have the entire context - do you really believe that freedom is free? Do you not have to cede authority to something or someone in order to be free, when other people are present?

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