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Originally Posted by Pan6467
As for atheists..... it is still a religion, it is a spiritual belief in nothing. Do not push your beliefs upon me nor call my religion names. ALL beliefs are equal and need to be taught. By telling my children they cannot pray or have religion classes is a push for YOUR own spiritual/religious beliefs and that is supposedly what you are fighting against.... right? (I state this because it was because of an Atheist that prayer and religion started being banned.)
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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
Your 6th issue was okay up until this point. Are you saying all atheists are nihilists? If that's the case, spiritual beliefs would be impossible. I think you mean to say something along the lines of "secular morality."
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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
Your 6th issue was okay up until this point. Are you saying all atheists are nihilists? If that's the case, spiritual beliefs would be impossible. I think you mean to say something along the lines of "secular morality."
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It's just my belief that most Atheists tend to want to be as "devout" as some other religious zealots. I'm not saying that they are not moral or lack anything.
It's just a devout belief there is "No God" is to me, the same as saying "I believe in God". The atheist still spiritually believes in something, even if it is nothing.
I will gladly discuss this elsewhere, but I answered "where I stood on 6 issues", which is the title of this thread. I don't think a threadjack is necessary just because you don't like one sentence I put into my stance. IT"S MY BELIEF, MY STANCE.... that was the question. You want to discuss something let's take it to another thread. |
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Originally Posted by Ustwo
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Originally Posted by Pan6467
It's just my belief that most Atheists tend to want to be as "devout" as some other religious zealots. I'm not saying that they are not moral or lack anything.
It's just a devout belief there is "No God" is to me, the same as saying "I believe in God". The atheist still spiritually believes in something, even if it is nothing.
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My non-belief is god is nothing like anyones belief in god, karma, etc.
There is no 'spiritually' factor to it, but then again I've never met an atheist who says 'there is no god' as an absolute, most of us think it is extremely unlikely that their is a god and even less likely that if there is a god it will be anything like the god/gods that man has come up with.
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Originally Posted by Dictionary.com
re·li·gion [ri-lij-uhn]
–noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
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Seeing as atheism does not have any belief in the supernatural, no devotional and ritual observances, no organization, no moral code, and is not even close to being fundamental, I'd never consider atheism to be religion.
To be clear: atheism is a name for something one is NOT, not something one IS.