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Originally Posted by willravel
My Democrat friends?
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Sorry, I assumed you might have some. I have some Democrat friends and was raised in a Democrat household. I ask my Democrat friends and family questions on a regular basis. Our new rule is I can't talk politics at Thanksgiving. They seem to really hate being asked questions, I don't get it - other than the fact that they don't really know what they believe.
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I'm Green, through and through.
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Sorry about that.
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I've actually never been a Democrat. I went from not caring to Libertarian to Green. I skipped Dem altogether. So when I hold their feet to the fire, I am doing it from the outside, just as I do when I call the GOP on their bullshit.
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I call the GOP on their bull shit as well. Their biggest contradiction is the pretense of being fiscally conservative. That is clearly bull shit. It is very rare to encounter a Democrat who will be honest about their party.
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What I was saying is that calling into question the motives behind my wanting the troops safe was borderline Bill O'Reilly. Not behavior anyone wants to emulate.
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Context. I did not call into question your motives. I just question the truth behind your statement. On the surface it seems obvious that troops would be safer not in Iraq. the reality is that their may be people who live in Washington D.C. at greater risk of being harmed by violence that a soldier in Iraq.
I also, say that wanting our troops to come home safely and unharmed is a given, that question has no place in the discussion about the war in Iraq. The issue is the war.
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By "them be safe" I mean not in unnecessary danger. Obviously, as BigRon has said, they did sign up for this. If the US ever were in real danger, they've stepped up to say "Not if I've got anything to say about it." Iraq was no danger to the US. We're our own worst enemies as we're the ones committing flat out stupid actions that facilitate the hatred of the US (like invading a sovereign arab country, for example). What I don't want is the military being pawns for stupid bullshit. When a soldier dies in Iraq, they didn't die protecting the US from anything. As someone from a military family, that's infuriating. As someone who has a ton of military friends and family, it's unacceptable. I'm okay with soldiers being in danger. I'm not okay with them being in danger for no reason. Iraq was a mess under Saddam. It's a clusterfuck now, way worse.
Here's the thing. People talk about how we have a responsibility to stay and see it through. What about out responsibility to not make it worse? What about our responsibility not to take actions that are responsible for helping terrorism? What about our responsibility to admit we were wrong?
This thread is supposed to be about the questionable decisions of the Democrats as of late, though. As nonplussed said above, They can filibuster and bring things to a halt. They can prevent all GOP legislation from going through. We don't have 60, but we do have the majority, and that can be used to bring things to a halt until the GOP swallows it's pride and is finally responsible.
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I understand your points.