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Originally Posted by MrSelfDestruct
Didn't we have a big war a little while ago to determine whether states can succeed or not? Didn't the guys on the "no, they can't" side win?
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I half recall something, but I can't remember how it ended. I think the question was left around the meaning of the ruling in Texas v. White. When reading the ruling, the following quote comes up:
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The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution, or through consent of the States.
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This suggests (though not by any means conclusively) that if a state and Congress both agree, secession is legal. There's no direct precedence, but it's possible (so long as the state constitution allows it, which the CA Constitution doesn't, currently).
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Originally Posted by MrSelfDestruct
I've been known to advocate sawing it off and letting it float away
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If we can deport the idiots who sit on celebrity juries to like Iraq or something, that'd be okay with me. They are the biggest embarrassment.